Why isnt JMM calling out Chris John?
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I just hadn't posted a post of 100% truth and knowledge today.
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It's no different than any other fighter. Rarely do you get a fighter who beats another top, great fighter and there is not a valid excuse.
Pacquiao is actually one of the truly blessed fighters to have one of those fights under his belt, when he beat Marco Antonio Barrera the first time, and it was in a dominating fashion.
But, dude... really... Erik Morales was actually really close to out the door by the time Pacquiao avenged his first defeat. No way Zahir Raheem toys with an Erik Morales who still has a lot left. Barrera was on his way out too in the rematch, although I don't think nearly as much as most people say. Marquez is on top of the world, but whether you are a Marquez or Pacquiao fan, I think you should have a problem with saying your fighter clearly won... that fight was razor close, and neither fighter dominated enough to have the clear victory.
Pacquiao did leave some unfinished business at 130 in Soto, Guzman and Valero, because they are all worthy contenders, but I don't think that a fighter has to fight every single worthy contender. They are allowed to pass some over, as long as they are still fighting other worthy contenders... David Diaz is probably a tougher challenge than Edwin Valero. De La Hoya is going to be hard as hell because he is like 20 weight classes bigger than Pacquaio. Ricky Hatton will be very big too.
Pacquiao is the far and away P4P #1 fighter resume-wise. Talent-wise? I don't think you can make the argument that he is far and away ahead, because, even after a 1-0-1 official record against Marquez, I have a problem with anyone saying that Pacquiao has actually separated himself from Marquez in head to head competition.
The only reason that it seems like people only apply these standards to Pacquiao is because he is such a big star that people pay attention. He has a lot of fans and a lot of haters, which is going to breed a lot of idiots.Comment
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It's no different than any other fighter. Rarely do you get a fighter who beats another top, great fighter and there is not a valid excuse.
Pacquiao is actually one of the truly blessed fighters to have one of those fights under his belt, when he beat Marco Antonio Barrera the first time, and it was in a dominating fashion.
But, dude... really... Erik Morales was actually really close to out the door by the time Pacquiao avenged his first defeat. No way Zahir Raheem toys with an Erik Morales who still has a lot left. Barrera was on his way out too in the rematch, although I don't think nearly as much as most people say. Marquez is on top of the world, but whether you are a Marquez or Pacquiao fan, I think you should have a problem with saying your fighter clearly won... that fight was razor close, and neither fighter dominated enough to have the clear victory.
Pacquiao did leave some unfinished business at 130 in Soto, Guzman and Valero, because they are all worthy contenders, but I don't think that a fighter has to fight every single worthy contender. They are allowed to pass some over, as long as they are still fighting other worthy contenders... David Diaz is probably a tougher challenge than Edwin Valero. De La Hoya is going to be hard as hell because he is like 20 weight classes bigger than Pacquaio. Ricky Hatton will be very big too.
Pacquiao is the far and away P4P #1 fighter resume-wise. Talent-wise? I don't think you can make the argument that he is far and away ahead, because, even after a 1-0-1 official record against Marquez, I have a problem with anyone saying that Pacquiao has actually separated himself from Marquez in head to head competition.
The only reason that it seems like people only apply these standards to Pacquiao is because he is such a big star that people pay attention. He has a lot of fans and a lot of haters, which is going to breed a lot of idiots.
EM beat PAC the first time because it was PAC's first time stepping up in the 130lb division and decided to take on a FHOFer with no tuneup and I felt that PAC also gave EM a lil too much respect, rather than stand toe toe during the early to mid rounds PAC I thought was giving away rounds by back pedaling too much.
2nd - badly cut eye, when you suffer a bad injury it hampers one's ability to execute the gameplan. From the 5th round on, PAC pretty much fought on survival instincts.
3rd - the gloves(not neccessarily the reason for PAC's lost, but it allowed Erika to absorb the punches better therefore preserving his strength for the later rounds.
4th - PAC inexplicably stopped going to the body(If y'all have the chance to see the fight again, watch the 1st round, PAC landed 2-3 hooks to the body that nearly broke Morales in half and had him backin' up, PAC continued to go the body in the 2nd round as well and that was the last time PAC focused on EM's body and the rest is history).
PAC - EM part 2, PAC comes in and basically executed his gameplan and he wasn't backin' up as much as he did the first time. Even when Erika was getting the better of the exchanges in the earlier rounds PAC this time was standing his ground. And if y'all still don't think there's a difference between Winning gloves vs Cleto Reyes gloves, just check EM's face in the first fight compared to the second! Lastly, no cut eye!
The Trilogy - not much here, Erika was simply too weight drained!
But I don't buy the **** that the Mex*cu*ts are spewing as far as "If EM was in his prime PAC would never beat him" Bull f**kin' ****. For as long as speed and power is on PAC's side, he'll always have the advantage over Erika if they fought 100 times!
As far as Erika whuppin' on Zahir if they fought in a different time. I say bull****, Zahir with his lightning speed and movement would've given Erika problems no matter which version of Erika he faced. And just to let ya know, I was one of the few that picked Zahir to beat Erika in a dominating fashion, speed kills that's all there's to it!Last edited by We want Floyd; 09-17-2008, 02:45 AM.Comment
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Bottomline,
EM beat PAC the first time because it was PAC's first time stepping up in the 130lb division and decided to take on a FHOFer with no tuneup and I felt that PAC also gave EM a lil too much respect, rather than stand toe toe during the early to mid rounds PAC I thought was giving away rounds by back pedaling too much.
2nd - badly cut eye, when you suffer a bad injury it hampers one's ability to execute the gameplan. From the 5th round on, PAC pretty much fought on survival instincts.
3rd - the gloves(not neccessarily the reason for PAC's lost, but it allowed Erika to absorb the punches better therefore preserving his strength for the later rounds.
4th - PAC inexplicably stopped going to the body(If y'all have the chance to see the fight again, watch the 1st round, PAC landed 2-3 hooks to the body that nearly broke Morales in half and had him backin' up, PAC continued to go the body in the 2nd round as well and that was the last time PAC focused on EM's body and the rest is history).
PAC - EM part 2, PAC comes in and basically executed his gameplan and he wasn't backin' up as much as he did the first time. Even when Erika was getting the better of the exchanges in the earlier rounds PAC this time was standing his ground. And if y'all still don't think there's a difference between Winning gloves vs Cleto Reyes gloves, just check EM's face in the first fight compared to the second! Lastly, no cut eye!
As far as Erika whuppin' on Zahir if they fought in a different time. I say bull****, Zahir with his lightning speed and movement would've given Erika problems no matter which version of Erika he faced. And just to let ya know, I was one of the few that picked Zahir to beat Erika in a dominating fashion, speed kills that's all there's to it!Comment
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Oh damn dude i never looked at it that way! Hey guys this guys is right quit giving Morales credit for the Pac win. Pac had a cut eye and it was his first time at 130. He also didnt go to the body enough so all of those reasons are why he lost. Zahir Raheem should go down as one of the ATG for beating Morales before Pac ever did with his tremendous speed. MASGAGOMEXI you are a ****ing genius, green k going your way buddy.
I don't care how masterful a fighter is of his style, I don't care how smart or how much heart a fighter has. For as long as a fighter has huge advantage in the speed dept everything else goes out the window!! Like Lou Holtz used to say "Speed Kills" and EM never had it!Last edited by We want Floyd; 09-17-2008, 02:57 AM.Comment
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lol I wouldn't say it if I was. Seems like the entire country of Mexico went on to tear ass through Asia, and all because some old white guys wanted to call Paq the "Mexicutioner."
lol The irony of it all, Mexico was the one that went out on a mission and laid flat lands like hiroshima across that ****. "They" were the ones that went out and executed not only your prospects, but anyone that even looked like Paq lmaoComment
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lol I wouldn't say it if I was. Seems like the entire country of Mexico went on to tear ass through Asia, and all because some old white guys wanted to call Paq the "Mexicutioner."
lol The irony of it all, Mexico was the one that went out on a mission and laid flat lands like hiroshima across that ****. "They" were the ones that went out and executed not only your prospects, but anyone that even looked like Paq lmao
Mexico laying flat lands????LMAO... Then, you woke up from your ten minute break from the orange groves....lolComment
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Bottomline,
EM beat PAC the first time because it was PAC's first time stepping up in the 130lb division and decided to take on a FHOFer with no tuneup and I felt that PAC also gave EM a lil too much respect, rather than stand toe toe during the early to mid rounds PAC I thought was giving away rounds by back pedaling too much.
2nd - badly cut eye, when you suffer a bad injury it hampers one's ability to execute the gameplan. From the 5th round on, PAC pretty much fought on survival instincts.
3rd - the gloves(not neccessarily the reason for PAC's lost, but it allowed Erika to absorb the punches better therefore preserving his strength for the later rounds.
4th - PAC inexplicably stopped going to the body(If y'all have the chance to see the fight again, watch the 1st round, PAC landed 2-3 hooks to the body that nearly broke Morales in half and had him backin' up, PAC continued to go the body in the 2nd round as well and that was the last time PAC focused on EM's body and the rest is history).
PAC - EM part 2, PAC comes in and basically executed his gameplan and he wasn't backin' up as much as he did the first time. Even when Erika was getting the better of the exchanges in the earlier rounds PAC this time was standing his ground. And if y'all still don't think there's a difference between Winning gloves vs Cleto Reyes gloves, just check EM's face in the first fight compared to the second! Lastly, no cut eye!
The Trilogy - not much here, Erika was simply too weight drained!
But I don't buy the **** that the Mex*cu*ts are spewing as far as "If EM was in his prime PAC would never beat him" Bull f**kin' ****. For as long as speed and power is on PAC's side, he'll always have the advantage over Erika if they fought 100 times!
As far as Erika whuppin' on Zahir if they fought in a different time. I say bull****, Zahir with his lightning speed and movement would've given Erika problems no matter which version of Erika he faced. And just to let ya know, I was one of the few that picked Zahir to beat Erika in a dominating fashion, speed kills that's all there's to it!Comment
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