Why isnt JMM calling out Chris John?

[Fox McCloud]

I was hoping someone the first page would have taken care of it, but apparently the obvious eludes people on here...

Marquez - 135 champion.
John - 126 champion.

The time for that rematch has come and gone.

[JAB5239]

I was hoping someone the first page would have taken care of it, but apparently the obvious eludes people on here...

Marquez - 135 champion.
John - 126 champion.

The time for that rematch has come and gone.

.........Lol!!

[Boofdatruth]

If Nacho was working for Marquez and Marquez wanted this fight as much as you have alluded to in the past, why didn't JMM just lay down the law and make the fight for much, much, much more money than he had ever been offered before?

And why do you continually say Pac was waiting for Marquez to get old when his side of the negotiations clearly made a more than suitable offer considering what Marquez had fought for previously, and afterwards?

You haven't answered these questions.

First it's I haven't answered your question, and now a new question pops up lol. I answered your first question. Anyway, how do you know that Marquez wasn't involved in the negotiations? Because he didn't take the "take it or leave it offer"? As far as the second question you are asking, I've answered that too. I told you that, that was my opinion that PAc waited Marquez out. You see, separate fact and opinion. Don't lie to the boards. You know I don't like liars lol. Any more questions lol...??? You are asking the same questions over and over. Why?

[Boofdatruth]

I agree with you Jab I think JMM and rafa might just have the worst manager in boxing history guiding them. The 30k for fighting John and losing froze JMM out for years, and while Nacho has moved rafa into big fights recently I wondered why they kept him at 118 for so long and waited until he was 32 to move up. Surely Nacho saw the big money fights being made in the higher divisions. The career of a prizefighter is short and potentially life-threatening and with Beristein at the wheel its terminal from the start.

You don't even know what is going on, nor do you have any idea about their relationship Nacho has with either fighter lol. If he was so terrible, why did they stay with him and continue to till this day? You sound like a fool lol...

[Sonic Flood]

Marquez and his manager Nacho Beristain did not do his career any favors. After the bout with Pacquiao, Marquez rejected a career high $750,000 for the rematch and demanded $1.5 million, which was the entire license fee offered by HBO. In 2005, Top Rank offered Marquez $1.5 million to face Erik Morales in the main event on an HBO pay-per-view that was scheduled to take place in the Fall of 2006. Again Marquez rejected the offer, requesting an unrealistic $3.5 million, a figure that according to Top Rank, was an amount that even the more marketable Erik Morales had never been guaranteed in his entire career.


On March 4, 2006, Marquez went would fly down to Indonesia, for a measly $31,500 dollar payday, to face hometown fighter Chris John for his WBA featherweight title. In what seemed to be a Marquez win by decision, he was stunned when all three scorecards were in favor of champion Chris John, by lopsided margins. Marquez lost two points in the bout for low blows, and even without the point deductions, John would have still won the bout by a comfortable margin.

[lparm]

You don't even know what is going on, nor do you have any idea about their relationship Nacho has with either fighter lol. If he was so terrible, why did they stay with him and continue to till this day? You sound like a fool lol...

Who really sounds like the fool doof? me, I'm pointing out all the mistakes Nacho made handling the careers of the Marquez bros. I think alot of people here if not all would agree Beristein made mistakes. While you're some kid ranting about why JMM fights for "honor" and that fighters have to earn your "personal respect" even though you're some guy posting on a forum they'll never meet. I know you cant see past your own ego but I'm sure alot of posters here are tired of you defending losing arguements all the time so let it go kid. We all lose sometimes only a fool wouldn't understand that.

[Sonic Flood]

Marquez and his manager Nacho Beristain did not do his career any favors. After the bout with Pacquiao, Marquez rejected a career high $750,000 for the rematch and demanded $1.5 million, which was the entire license fee offered by HBO. In 2005, Top Rank offered Marquez $1.5 million to face Erik Morales in the main event on an HBO pay-per-view that was scheduled to take place in the Fall of 2006. Again Marquez rejected the offer, requesting an unrealistic $3.5 million, a figure that according to Top Rank, was an amount that even the more marketable Erik Morales had never been guaranteed in his entire career.

I THINK THIS IS THE HONOR BOOF IS TALKING ABOUT MARQUEZ

[JAB5239]

First it's I haven't answered your question, and now a new question pops up lol. I answered your first question. Anyway, how do you know that Marquez wasn't involved in the negotiations?

Its irrelevant if Marquez was directly involved or not. He's the boss. He pays the salaries. If he wanted this fight the way you have claimed, it could have been made. No?

Because he didn't take the "take it or leave it offer"?

I could care less he didn't take the offer. But don't try and say this fight not happening sooner was anybodies fault but his own. If he wanted it that bad, not only did he have it, but a career high payday as well.

As far as the second question you are asking, I've answered that too. I told you that, that was my opinion that PAc waited Marquez out.

That is your opinion, given the facts? Lol, ok.

You see, separate fact and opinion. Don't lie to the boards. You know I don't like liars lol. Any more questions lol...??? You are asking the same questions over and over. Why?

Who's lying? I've presented all facts that can be easily looked up. As far as me asking the same questions over and over.....You keep spouting the same nonsense over and over. I am just proving how full of crap you are. Nothing personal.

[Boofdatruth]

Who really sounds like the fool doof? me, I'm pointing out all the mistakes Nacho made handling the careers of the Marquez bros. I think alot of people here if not all would agree Beristein made mistakes. While you're some kid ranting about why JMM fights for "honor" and that fighters have to earn your "personal respect" even though you're some guy posting on a forum they'll never meet. I know you cant see past your own ego but I'm sure alot of posters here are tired of you defending losing arguements all the time so let it go kid. We all lose sometimes only a fool wouldn't understand that.

First off, did you even read the article about Marquez wanting a third fight with Pac? Bigpop has the article here on boxingscene ok. Pac is the one who brought up the word "honor". Second, Pac told Marquez that if he were to fight Marquez a third time, but only if Marquez will fight for honor and not money. When you read that article, get back to me.

[JAB5239]

Marquez and his manager Nacho Beristain did not do his career any favors. After the bout with Pacquiao, Marquez rejected a career high $750,000 for the rematch and demanded $1.5 million, which was the entire license fee offered by HBO. In 2005, Top Rank offered Marquez $1.5 million to face Erik Morales in the main event on an HBO pay-per-view that was scheduled to take place in the Fall of 2006. Again Marquez rejected the offer, requesting an unrealistic $3.5 million, a figure that according to Top Rank, was an amount that even the more marketable Erik Morales had never been guaranteed in his entire career.


On March 4, 2006, Marquez went would fly down to Indonesia, for a measly $31,500 dollar payday, to face hometown fighter Chris John for his WBA featherweight title. In what seemed to be a Marquez win by decision, he was stunned when all three scorecards were in favor of champion Chris John, by lopsided margins. Marquez lost two points in the bout for low blows, and even without the point deductions, John would have still won the bout by a comfortable margin.

And.....thats all she wrote. Game over.