Could Floyd have beaten a prime Kostya Tszyu at 140lbs?

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  • wmute
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    #71
    Originally posted by The Gambler1981
    I was going to post in this thread but you pretty much explained everything I would have said. I think Floyd would have made Tszyu look terrible, an awful style matchup for Tzsyu.
    yeah it's crazy that people don't see that. people should pick fighters based on styles, not just on resumes. Mayweather is not unbeatable, but it takes a different kind (not necessarily class) of fighter than Zoo to do that.

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    • The Gambler1981
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      #72
      Originally posted by wmute
      yeah it's crazy that people don't see that. people should pick fighters based on styles, not just on resumes. Mayweather is not unbeatable, but it takes a different kind (not necessarily class) of fighter than Zoo to do that.
      Yea, he can be beaten for sure. He has a hard style to fight against though because he can fight at almost any range so if your better outside he can fight inside but if you are better inside he can fight outside. I also have a hard time seeing Mayweather get steamrolled, which people seem to bring up a lot but I really do not think his style allows that outcome (most likely anyways).

      He is beatable but the fighter that beats him has to do a lot of things very well (and some great) and would most likely be left handed.

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        #73
        of course Floyd would of got him then, jus like he could get him now...

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          #74
          Originally posted by The Gambler1981
          Yea, he can be beaten for sure. He has a hard style to fight against though because he can fight at almost any range so if your better outside he can fight inside but if you are better inside he can fight outside. I also have a hard time seeing Mayweather get steamrolled, which people seem to bring up a lot but I really do not think his style allows that outcome (most likely anyways).

          He is beatable but the fighter that beats him has to do a lot of things very well (and some great) and would most likely be left handed.
          I agree. But I would put smart quite ahead of left handed. Certainly versatile is key. Otherwise as you say Mayweather can change the fight he is fighting. Smart is also key IMO, because it will take someone smart to control the pace of the fight, which Mayweather has always been simply great at doing, since his young 130 days.

          My fav picks to beat him (without thinking about size_ are

          130 Sandy Saddler, because of his blend of power, roughness and smarts. Make no mistake, a crude fighter could not beat Willie Pep.

          135 Roberto Duran well, the most complete fighter I have seen good footage of, with an offensive mind on top of that. I would never put my money on Floyd here, but I believe he is a great and he would not disappoint, giving Duran an incredible fight.

          140 Aaron Pryor Great fight for almost obvious reasons, but I see Mayweather on this one. Pryor was just not a smart fighter.

          147 too many to mention (Leonard, Hearns, Robinson) this is not his weight class, and we are talking about people who were still effective at 160.

          Of course Whitaker cannot be counted out but he didnt fit any of those classes

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            #75
            Originally posted by wmute
            130. next please.

            Popo and Casa were showtime and Popo didnt want anything from Mayweather.

            Casa. good fight, would have loved to see it. At 130 prime Casa could have given trouble to a young Mayweather.

            I dont understand why the casamayor fight didnt happen as well, I guess after Knocking out Corrales he feels like he didnt have anything to prove by going after casamayor.

            Frietas wasnt interested at all.

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              #76
              he would've gatti'd him imo.all kostya had was a right hand.one weapon aint enough to beat floyd.

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              • pbftxrs316
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                #77
                i dare someone to argue that floyd would lose to kosta by ko or ud with logicasl reasoning, because i haven't read an argument yet. you guys really have no idea how great floyd's skills are, and how good he put everything together at 140. kosta would have been in for a very long night against floyd, no doubt about it. floyd would have torn him apart.

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                  #78
                  Man iam tired of these who could beat Floyd threads...I hate to say it but Floyd is the real deal....Unbeatable??...Maybe.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by wmute
                    I agree. But I would put smart quite ahead of left handed. Certainly versatile is key. Otherwise as you say Mayweather can change the fight he is fighting. Smart is also key IMO, because it will take someone smart to control the pace of the fight, which Mayweather has always been simply great at doing, since his young 130 days.

                    My fav picks to beat him (without thinking about size_ are

                    130 Sandy Saddler, because of his blend of power, roughness and smarts. Make no mistake, a crude fighter could not beat Willie Pep.

                    135 Roberto Duran well, the most complete fighter I have seen good footage of, with an offensive mind on top of that. I would never put my money on Floyd here, but I believe he is a great and he would not disappoint, giving Duran an incredible fight.

                    140 Aaron Pryor Great fight for almost obvious reasons, but I see Mayweather on this one. Pryor was just not a smart fighter.

                    147 too many to mention (Leonard, Hearns, Robinson) this is not his weight class, and we are talking about people who were still effective at 160.

                    Of course Whitaker cannot be counted out but he didnt fit any of those classes

                    Yea being smart is where it is at, and you also need to be adpatable. Floyd normally forces people to do things they do not want to be doing but if a fighter can make Floyd fight in a way that he does not want to against that fighter, then that fighter has a good shot of comming out ahead.

                    The list i can't argue with at all, although I might bet on Floyd against Duran if I got the right odds or even Pryor, but I think the odds would be to close for me to really want to bet. I would definetly not bet on a Sweet Pea-Floyd fight to much unknown and to much riding on what the judges actually see. The welter greats just fall under the idea that "great big man beats great little man", it is a well worn boxing cliche but there is a lot of truth in it

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Fresno
                      Man iam tired of these who could beat Floyd threads...I hate to say it but Floyd is the real deal....Unbeatable??...Maybe.


                      Sorry but nobody is unbeatable, PBF can be beaten but not by Tsyzu for me.

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