Why does everyone hype Pavlik? Comparison with Kessler

[Sweet Peacock]

Just like Kessler didn't have to think twice?

Honestly I wonder where some of you guys get this type of **** from or if you actually realise how you come across saying it.

Who did Kessler beat pre Calzaghe to get him prepared for the heat that Calzaghe brung? Pavlik has been in wars with Taylor and Miranda so he was use to being hit hard and tested on the world class stage. Kessler was never put through that kind of test and he also never been in a close fight pre Calzaghe. Kelly has all of this experience. Understand now

Another thing is that Kessler is a skillful boxer where as Pavlik's style consist of taking punches and bringing pressure and Joe doesn't have anything to keep this beast off of him.

Sweet

[The Gully Gad]

Yeh pavlic has fought the likes of Taylor (2) miranda not the ginger one in sex and the city and now Hopkins..

Kessler has just fought Joe and lost

Pavlic is a more exciting fighter

[Dan...]

Who did Kessler beat pre Calzaghe to get him prepared for the heat that Calzaghe brung? Pavlik has been in wars with Taylor and Miranda so he was use to being hit hard and tested on the world class stage. Kessler was never put through that kind of test and he also never been in a close fight pre Calzaghe. Kelly has all of this experience. Understand now

Another thing is that Kessler is a skillful boxer where as Pavlik's style consist of taking punches and bringing pressure and Joe doesn't have anything to keep this beast off of him.

Sweet

Kessler is a hard hitter and caught Calzaghe with some great shots. To be honest I do not see anything that Pavlik could do to Joe that would be different than what Kessler bought to the table. At this stage it would be a Calzaghe UD over Kelly for mine. He is too smart in there for a guy like Pavlik and would have a significant speed advantage.

[Sweet Peacock]

Kessler is a hard hitter and caught Calzaghe with some great shots. To be honest I do not see anything that Pavlik could do to Joe that would be different than what Kessler bought to the table. At this stage it would be a Calzaghe UD over Kelly for mine. He is too smart in there for a guy like Pavlik and would have a significant speed advantage.

Sure he caught Joe with good shots, but the experience factor showed when he was taking into deep waters because he didn't know what to do because he had never been in that kind position before. Pavlik has been tested even harder that. the problem with Joe and what he will have to correct if he was to fight Kelly is his wide looping punches and the fact that he too brave for his own good. He is used to going to war with his opponents and he also haven't been pressured for every minute of every round and Kelly would bring both if this to the table. He throws straight accurate pin point shots and would walk through Joe's punches because i have mentioned, he doesn't have anything to keep him off. Just like Cotto/Margarito, only difference would be Joe wouldn't build up that much of an early lead and I'm not picturing him being stopped, just broken down to the point where his foot speed is no longer in use but i can see him making it to the final bell. Kessler is not Pavlik. Also another thing i should mention is that Calzaghe has had a speed advantage over all of his opponents but of course there are ways around that, especially in this case.



Sweet

[The Gully Gad]

Sure he caught Joe with good shots, but the experience factor showed when he was taking into deep waters because he didn't know what to do because he had never been in that kind position before. Pavlik has been tested even harder that. the problem with Joe and what he will have to correct if he was to fight Kelly is his wide looping punches and the fact that he too brave for his own good. He is used to going to war with his opponents and he also haven't been pressured for every minute of every round and Kelly would bring both if this to the table. He throws straight accurate pin point shots and would walk through Joe's punches because i have mentioned, he doesn't have anything to keep him off. Just like Cotto/Margarito, only difference would be Joe wouldn't build up that much of an early lead and I'm not picturing him being stopped, just broken down to the point where his foot speed is no longer in use but i can see him making it to the final bell. Kessler is not Pavlik. Also another thing i should mention is that Calzaghe has had a speed advantage over all of his opponents but of course there are ways around that, especially in this case.



Sweet

I think Pav would go for it that little bit more u get me
throw out the safety issue and try and knock Joe out

[mojack]

Disagree. Pavlik has the better resume and if they were to fight it would be 50/50.

I could type a great deal more but I have had this debate with several other posters over the last couple of months and have grown tired of it.

Taylor is well overated.

[Dick-Sucker]

Oh my god, 1st you talk of god about Mundine and turn around and diss Kelly. so let me get this straight Green, Soliman, Ottke is better then Taylor2, Miranda, Zertuche. Crazy

Are we still good friends man? your still going to call me later?

[Dick-Sucker]

Taylor is well overated.

Thats what im thinking. What happens if Pavlik looses to B-Hop. And Lacy pulls off one of the biggest upsets.

What does that mean?

[Dick-Sucker]

Sure he caught Joe with good shots, but the experience factor showed when he was taking into deep waters because he didn't know what to do because he had never been in that kind position before. Pavlik has been tested even harder that. the problem with Joe and what he will have to correct if he was to fight Kelly is his wide looping punches and the fact that he too brave for his own good. He is used to going to war with his opponents and he also haven't been pressured for every minute of every round and Kelly would bring both if this to the table. He throws straight accurate pin point shots and would walk through Joe's punches because i have mentioned, he doesn't have anything to keep him off. Just like Cotto/Margarito, only difference would be Joe wouldn't build up that much of an early lead and I'm not picturing him being stopped, just broken down to the point where his foot speed is no longer in use but i can see him making it to the final bell. Kessler is not Pavlik. Also another thing i should mention is that Calzaghe has had a speed advantage over all of his opponents but of course there are ways around that, especially in this case.



Sweet

Agree. Joe has a top chin. And Kessler has better power than Pavlik.

I can't see Pavlik stopping Joe. And going by his last performance against Taylor.

I think Pavlik is there for the taking.

[Machine Gunz]

Taylor nearly stopped Pavlik in the first fight, but couldnt finish him off, i believe Kessler would stop Pavlik