Joe Louis 199 v. Billy Conn 169 - first fight

[ferocity]

Conn came in at 175 according to Boxrec (not that it matters) and Louis came in at 201

boxrec also has a few old timers going up against a fighter with 0 fights, i don't think its accurate for fighters from the conn era

[KJB]

I've always said that the weight excuse is way overused. very rarely is it such a big factor. like with tito-bernard or even mayweather-hatton. I think the size had less to do with the out come of those fights than the actual difference in skill level. just look at chagaev-valuev. if chagaev can pull off a win over someone that is 12 inches and 100pounds heavier, nobody should be making any excuses for their fighter's size differential.

Yes, they should, thats why we have weight classes. And the reason people beat Valuev is because for all of his size, he has zero skills.
Look at it this way, if I weight 100 pounds and you weigh 110, thats the same as a guy 200 pounds out weighed by a full 20 pounds. So the smaller you go, the more those few pounds count. Is 12 pounds a huge difference between HWs? No, but between FW and LW, LW and WW its a lot. Could you see Chris John beating Nate Campbell or Joel Casamayor? Could you see Campbell or Casamayor beating Margarito? Could you see Margarito beating Pavlik or Abraham?

[-Swizzy-]

Yes, they should, thats why we have weight classes. And the reason people beat Valuev is because for all of his size, he has zero skills.
Look at it this way, if I weight 100 pounds and you weigh 110, thats the same as a guy 200 pounds out weighed by a full 20 pounds. So the smaller you go, the more those few pounds count. Is 12 pounds a huge difference between HWs? No, but between FW and LW, LW and WW its a lot. Could you see Chris John beating Nate Campbell or Joel Casamayor? Could you see Campbell or Casamayor beating Margarito? Could you see Margarito beating Pavlik or Abraham?

you have given in to the Jose Sulaiman propaganda. Most of the weight classes were made to just create extra belts for the boxing organizations to make more money on the royalties. the amount of weight divisions should be cut in half and that will be more realistic.

would you have believed if I had told you that a 108 Pacquaio would one day move up a couple of divisions to beat a 135 lb lightweight champ?