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I don't even remember what poster it was, so no, I'm not talking about Americans.
I've defended Americans several times on here, as well as criticizing my own countrymen, so while I may be wrong in some of my viewpoints, I don't think that any errors are the result of being nationalistic or anti-American.
My earlier post did refer to the way that Europeans are viewed by the American boxing establishment and fans, however. I don't think that I made any offensive or unfair comments.Last edited by Clegg; 09-01-2008, 07:27 AM.Comment
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Green k post right there. My sentiments exactly only I haven't analysed the likely outcomes of fights, and the things that would no doubt get said so much.Best case scenario is that he gets a fight on US TV with the winner of Froch-Pascal-Taylor-Lacy situation, but that won't be for a while yet. In the meantime I guess it depends if he wants to fight the best or to get a lot of US attention. Sadly those two things do not go hand-in-hand at 168.
In my opinion, Bute is the 2nd best fighter in the division.
Bute and Kessler are both very good fighters with heavy hands. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but all the talk of "if you come and fight in the US, you'll be treated like we treat our own" is not really a fair representation of the situation.
Kessler vs Bute would be a great fight, and it would be a unification fight, involving two exciting, aggressive fighters, but it would not get 25% of the attention of Lacy-Taylor, even though that's a meaningless tune-up in many respects.
If the fight happened in America, no one would care. If it happened in Europe, it'd be dismissed as two Euros fighting in Eurobumland.
Another option would be Allan Green. It'll get more attention than anything else that's available, and hopefully increase the interest in him fighting Taylor or Pavlik.
Glenn Johnson is another possibility, and a fight that I'd like to see, but it would mean moving up when he doesn't need to, which may harm his performances.
He'll be criticised, whatever happens. Taylor and Pavlik have other plans, so rule them out. If he beats Bute, it won't get much interest in the US and Bute will be dismissed as another padded record Euro etc. If he fights an American, he'll get some attention, but when he shows that the American in question is actually not that good, the win will be devalued by the same morons on here who picked the American to win in dominant fashion. And no matter what he does, they will ask why he ducked Pavlik and Taylor.
Beating Johnson in impressive fashion, and still being able to make 168 afterward, would be ideal, although I'm not sure if this is realistic. 175 is basically a bunch of old men and Chad Dawson. If he fights the old men, he's ducking Dawson. If doesn't he's ducking the old men. If he tries to fight Dawson, who is to say he will have anymore luck than Diancou?
Diancou tried for a fight with Dawson. No doubt if Diancou wins and looks good, it won't matter because "who did he beat?"
Honestly, the EU should fund this website. I didn't feel any sense of European identity until signing up here, but now I feel a great empathy for the average Romanian boxing prospect!
People on here like to say "who has Kessler fought?" but if you look at The Ring rankings, he's fought 3 of the other top 4 guys in the division. Margarito and Hopkins are the only other guys of whom that can be said. If people wish to criticise his resume than so be it, but the idea that he's ducking anyone, or that he has ever ducked anyone, is just BS.
Maybe he should fight Gary Lockett, because apparently beating him up for 3 rounds makes you as impressive as a prime Tyson
Completely true in every sense, Kesslers in a tricky place. Fight option wise, he's in a similar place to Johnson. He's had a loss, everyone else is tied up despite calling some of the top guys out. The thing that sets them apart is Kessler is Danish, not well exposed in the US, and isn't much of a big talker.
Get him a fight in America, with some strong words of "whose next, whose brave enough to try and beat me" and I think we have a remedy for success. But that's an unlikely combination unfortunately, as great as it would be. He'd humiliate Lacy, take a UD over Taylor, and close wins over Hopkins, Pavlik or Abraham. Dawson, Johnson, Diaconu I'm not so confident so hopefully there'd come later.Comment
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Thanks Kris.
What I said is just my opinion and of course people are welcome to disagree. Maybe I am being too hard on certain boxing fans, and giving more attention to the bad ones rather than the good ones. I don't intend to offend Americans, I'm just stating what I think is a reasonable opinion.
But I do feel that Kessler's future career, and how he will be regarded, depends upon whether or not an American with a reputation is willing to fight him, regardless of whether the American in question is the hardest possible opponent. And I think that's crazy.Comment
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Hi Mikkel Here.
I was told that i wasn't fighting Miranda, because it would give me no US exposure. And that fighting Sartisson in Germany would give me more US exposure. I thought Germany was the centre of US exposure and not the US itself. Now the Viking warrior only has exposure from the Vikings. I have a specific set of Viking Skills, i will find you, i will hurt you. I have a 73 inch reach.
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Oh, I would love to see Kessler/Taylor, or Kessler/Pavlik either one, or hell, even Kessler Lacy would be a good fight.
Not sure why there are so many who believe Kessler is overrated, all I can figure...well, really I just have no ****ing clue. Makes no sense to berate a really excellant fighter.
As for US exposure.....I think it'll happen more and more, with alot of Euro fighters. Honestly, US networks should work harder to televise those guys, they're missing out on a bunch of cash.Comment
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Kessler has said that he'll only fight about 2 more years. Of course we have heard that song before.
^^^^Great post.Best case scenario is that he gets a fight on US TV with the winner of Froch-Pascal-Taylor-Lacy situation, but that won't be for a while yet. In the meantime I guess it depends if he wants to fight the best or to get a lot of US attention. Sadly those two things do not go hand-in-hand at 168.
In my opinion, Bute is the 2nd best fighter in the division.
Bute and Kessler are both very good fighters with heavy hands. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but all the talk of "if you come and fight in the US, you'll be treated like we treat our own" is not really a fair representation of the situation.
Kessler vs Bute would be a great fight, and it would be a unification fight, involving two exciting, aggressive fighters, but it would not get 25% of the attention of Lacy-Taylor, even though that's a meaningless tune-up in many respects.
If the fight happened in America, no one would care. If it happened in Europe, it'd be dismissed as two Euros fighting in Eurobumland.
Another option would be Allan Green. It'll get more attention than anything else that's available, and hopefully increase the interest in him fighting Taylor or Pavlik.
Glenn Johnson is another possibility, and a fight that I'd like to see, but it would mean moving up when he doesn't need to, which may harm his performances.
He'll be criticised, whatever happens. Taylor and Pavlik have other plans, so rule them out. If he beats Bute, it won't get much interest in the US and Bute will be dismissed as another padded record Euro etc. If he fights an American, he'll get some attention, but when he shows that the American in question is actually not that good, the win will be devalued by the same morons on here who picked the American to win in dominant fashion. And no matter what he does, they will ask why he ducked Pavlik and Taylor.
Beating Johnson in impressive fashion, and still being able to make 168 afterward, would be ideal, although I'm not sure if this is realistic. 175 is basically a bunch of old men and Chad Dawson. If he fights the old men, he's ducking Dawson. If doesn't he's ducking the old men. If he tries to fight Dawson, who is to say he will have anymore luck than Diancou?
Diancou tried for a fight with Dawson. No doubt if Diancou wins and looks good, it won't matter because "who did he beat?"
Honestly, the EU should fund this website. I didn't feel any sense of European identity until signing up here, but now I feel a great empathy for the average Romanian boxing prospect!
People on here like to say "who has Kessler fought?" but if you look at The Ring rankings, he's fought 3 of the other top 4 guys in the division. Margarito and Hopkins are the only other guys of whom that can be said. If people wish to criticise his resume than so be it, but the idea that he's ducking anyone, or that he has ever ducked anyone, is just BS.
Maybe he should fight Gary Lockett, because apparently beating him up for 3 rounds makes you as impressive as a prime TysonComment
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Andre Dirrell is a good choice too, the man ko'd both Pascal and Hanshaw. He's well on his way to a belt.Comment
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good post by Clegg Bute was a fighter that slipped my radar i dont see bute taking on kessler anytime soon because imo hes not ready for mikkel, however i see pavlik and bute definently fighting mikkel sometime in the next few years.
but i think you're right kessler and other good european fighters put themselves in the high risk/low reward category a bit like froch has done recently which is why fighters like taylor have avoided him. the only way to get out of it is to go over to america and maybe take on a couple of fighters who might not be a big name but it would give yo the exposure you need. of course the haters are going to come out and say that hes beating up bums but mikkel can only beat the fihters who ae willingto fight him.
i think allan green would see kessler as a good opponent in the US, i hear greene is switching promoters as well. greene is a fantastic fighter who has great talent but imo he needs a big win over a big opponent to shoot back up the rankings again, of course kessler might not be that big a name but he is rated very highly by all the governing bodies and if greene does get a win it would put him in line for a title shot.
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VaporizersLast edited by hookoutofhell; 03-14-2011, 01:39 PM.Comment
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and he needs to get a proffesional trainer.
if you can take a look at the calzage/kessler fight. between rounds kessler looks confused and his corner is quiet , no talking. kessler just sitting there looking worried. no advise. its pathetic.round after round. no talking.Comment
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