Is Pacquiao moving up to 147 the equivalent...

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

yea i just saw roy was 193 against ruiz so that is very impressive.. but I dont think Pac is an oversized 125 pounder .. he sarted his career at 106

You guys REALLY need to stop with the "Pac started his career at 106" bull****. He was sixteen years old. At that age, most of these guys were at 106. That period was basically Pac's "amateur career" stage.

Pac was at 106 when he was 16/17 years old. By comparison, Floyd won the national amateurs in 1993. He was 16 years old. Weight class? 106. He won again the next year at 114 weight class... 17 years old.

Oscar-Pac is not a fair fight... but neither was Oscar-Forbes... nor Oscar-Floyd.

[pinpointsman]

If you compared Pacquiaos night of the fight weigh-ins to Mayweather and Judah weigh-ins there wouldn't be much of a difference.

It would be a "good" but not great achievement to beat Hoya.

[¡VIVA MEXICO!]

You guys REALLY need to stop with the "Pac started his career at 106" bull****. He was sixteen years old. At that age, most of these guys were at 106. That period was basically Pac's "amateur career" stage.

Pac was at 106 when he was 16/17 years old. By comparison, Floyd won the national amateurs in 1993. He was 16 years old. Weight class? 106. He won again the next year at 114 weight class... 17 years old.

Oscar-Pac is not a fair fight... but neither was Oscar-Forbes... nor Oscar-Floyd.

amateurs dont count but we can start with the first division manny won a title. he won his first title as a flyweight. so that means he will be jumping 8 divisions to fight oscar. not only that but he will be fighting a guy who actually knows how to box properly and has power. on top of that manny is the first fighter in many many years to step up to someone so much bigger than him that isnt a runner.

this is much more impressive than what rjj or mayweather has done. it is easier for cowardly runners to beat bigger men than toe to toe ko fighters like pacquiao.

[The Wire]

amateurs dont count but we can start with the first division manny won a title. he won his first title as a flyweight. so that means he will be jumping 8 divisions to fight oscar. not only that but he will be fighting a guy who actually knows how to box properly and has power. on top of that manny is the first fighter in many many years to step up to someone so much bigger than him that isnt a runner.

this is much more impressive than what rjj or mayweather has done. it is easier for cowardly runners to beat bigger men than toe to toe ko fighters like pacquiao.

Exactly. People talk about Roy being the first former middleweight to win a title at heavyweight in a hundred years, but he actually only went up 2 divisions as by then he was a natural light heavy, if not a natural cruiser. So the same rule applies here. Yeah sure, Manny isn't a natural flyweight anymore but he has as much right to lay claim to that as Roy Jones did to being a middleweight.

[cotto16]

Yes it will be better than what roy did if he beats oscar

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Exactly. People talk about Roy being the first former middleweight to win a title at heavyweight in a hundred years, but he actually only went up 2 divisions as by then he was a natural light heavy, if not a natural cruiser. So the same rule applies here. Yeah sure, Manny isn't a natural flyweight anymore but he has as much right to lay claim to that as Roy Jones did to being a middleweight.

Natural cruiser?? Roy never weighed in at the cruiser limit his whole life. In fact, he had to do "a Shilstone" just to get to 193. WTF.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

If you compared Pacquiaos night of the fight weigh-ins to Mayweather and Judah weigh-ins there wouldn't be much of a difference.

It would be a "good" but not great achievement to beat Hoya.

On fight night, Pac has weighed within a couple of pounds of what FMJ and Judah weigh.

I'm fairly certain (bet anyone?) that Manny will be above 147 on fight night. By contrast, both Mayweather and Jones were well below the weight limit for their HW and JMW fights.

I consider 201 as the HW lower limit.

[hishaam15]

Natural cruiser?? Roy never weighed in at the cruiser limit his whole life. In fact, he had to do "a Shilstone" just to get to 193. WTF.

Roy weighed 177 for his fight with Virgill Hill, and that was the most he had weighed pre-Ruiz. also you cant say Roy only jumped 2 divisions, because he bulked up around 30 pounds. pac only has to bulk up 10-12 pounds.

[hishaam15]

amateurs dont count but we can start with the first division manny won a title. he won his first title as a flyweight. so that means he will be jumping 8 divisions to fight oscar. not only that but he will be fighting a guy who actually knows how to box properly and has power. on top of that manny is the first fighter in many many years to step up to someone so much bigger than him that isnt a runner.

this is much more impressive than what rjj or mayweather has done. it is easier for cowardly runners to beat bigger men than toe to toe ko fighters like pacquiao.

roy never ran against ruiz. he stood and faced him most of the fight

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Roy weighed 177 for his fight with Virgill Hill, and that was the most he had weighed pre-Ruiz. also you cant say Roy only jumped 2 divisions, because he bulked up around 30 pounds. pac only has to bulk up 10-12 pounds.

You can also look at "% of body weight".