Reasons why i think Oscar is despised by some Mexicans.

[Lazy Liberal]

ahahhaha the ignorance never ceases

ok while you did say some I do feel I should reply as to why I dont dig him anymore



so does Vargas, David Diaz, Juan Diaz, Julio Diaz, Rocky Juarez etc and I dont hate any of them



thats debatable but I dont hate smart fighters like Hopkins Mayweather the Klitschkos etc



Looks dont play into my boxing equation or else Nicolai Valuev would be my favorite



so did a lot of the above I mentioned in the first quote



so has for the most part Barrera and JMM and they are two of my favorites



no doubt but again so are a lot of fighters in their own aspects



money doesnt play into my boxing equations



surprisingly I was never a Chavez fan and actually rooted against him a lot. I was in houses full of Mexicans rooting for Pea and Meldrick, screamed for joy when the Surgeon dropped him and really was indifferent when DLH mopped him up





well it may not be on the level of DLH because DLH 1. is richer 2. has a lot of corporate sponsers assisting his business ventures but El Feroz does quite a bit for his own community as well

to me DLH was a beast and a favorite of mine from 130-140. I loved the story of doing it for his mom in 92. I dug he looked like a warrior in beating guys like Chicanito, Rafa Ruelas, JJL, et al. I didnt mind he was brash and ****y and combined all the elements of a mega star because he could back it up

then he got to 147 and kind of changed. Gone was the fierce left hook. Gone was the influence of his predessecors (sp). It became more about the brand Oscar De La Hoya rather than the fighter. He changed trainers more than he changed undies, he was more show than substance. Didn't he say he wanted to fight like a black fighter then also say that blacks couldnt take it to the body.

to me he bought into what the masses were saying and it showed and to be honest soured the community where he grew up.

but the bulk of my questioning him and the contradiction he has become comes more towards when he became part time fighter full time promoter

from a promotional end he has done little to change the sport. He doesn't develope his own talent. Really other than Mares who can you say has been a homegrown GBP talent? Ponce? Hell thats Joe Hernandez and him saying "**** you GBP own up to your end" than GBP actually caring. Ask those in his stable and a lot of them (off record) will say once you go to GBP you might as well promote yourself.

as a part time fighter he has now fought:

1. a chain smoking wild man more known for his antics than being a fighter
2. the p4p best but only did it by making him move to 154 and with I do believe 10oz gloves
3. a former 130lb fighter forcing him to go to 150 to do it
4. and now the p4p #1 who has only had one fight at 135....two divisions from where they are supppsed to fight at (if DLH even makes 147)

this to me is a sham and a smokescreen. he is the lil dude behind the wizard trying to get people to believe the lie. He said his final three fights were to be with the best yet he has now fought two former junior lightweights and who knows who will be his last fight.

dude has become more media than fighter and its a shame because to be honest had he been more serious about his post 140 career rather than chasing "The Mega Event" then we would be talking more about his all time status rather than why he is fighting a Lightweight one fight removed from being a 130ln champ.

Oscar lost the hunger a long time ago, when he decided to take long ass breaks between fights.

He is a full time promoter and businessman. Boxing is his hobby.

For those who claim Oscar is ducking Tony, what would a victory over a guy whose hobby is boxing mean? I mean if Oscar was fighting like 3 times a yr since 2002, then it would make sense and beating him would mean something.

[Domain]

Yo Daivd, you hit it on the nail.. Mexican's are typically wild looking. Oscar is too pretty for the envious Indians.

If they were smarter, tey would realize that Oscar is a MEXICAN regardless of where he was born. GENETICS not geography you ****in low IQ midgets..

man its kinda true many mexicans are haters and jealous I notice that man.

[Eaner0919]

Oscar lost the hunger a long time ago, when he decided to take long ass breaks between fights.

He is a full time promoter and businessman. Boxing is his hobby.

For those who claim Oscar is ducking Tony, what would a victory over a guy whose hobby is boxing mean? I mean if Oscar was fighting like 3 times a yr since 2002, then it would make sense and beating him would mean something.

agreed but here is the issue I have and mind you the public has a lot to do with this as well so its not solely on Oscar's doorstep

if he is a part time fighter then fight those who don't mean anything to the sport anymore or don't have other business to handle. Fight Tito, fight Mora. What he did was essentially take away a fighter, p4p #1, from a division that is red hot right now. There are so many intriguing options at 130-135 that you could throw countless matchup options out there and it would be good stuff

now to make it even worse Manny and Freddie are on record saying that they are probably done with 135. That sucks and yes while no one is putting a gun to Manny's head in taking this, from a boxing fan's POV it stops all future matchups for one of boxings most exciting fighters

now we wont see

JMM III
Juan Diaz
Guzman
Soto
Nate
Casa
Katsidis

in possibly great fights with Manny.

the event wont hurt boxing but the ripple effects sure dont help it either

as far as Margarito is concerned I really only cared because its nice to see Tony get paid but even then I knew Oscar wasn't going that direction.

much respect though for standing by him even when its not the thing to do anymore. Just wanted to give you what I hope was an educated reply back to you about how some dont feel your sentiments

[Eaner0919]

good post.

De La Hoya is a good role model, i dont really like the way he acts some times, he seems politically correct. But regardless everything you said seems true to me.

was he a good role model to his kids the ones he forgot about? Or about the alledged **** he did in Mexico? or the one girl he threw through a glass window or how he not only locked out one of his baby mommas but his daughter as well?

not everything is what it seems all the time man

[Lazy Liberal]

was he a good role model to his kids the ones he forgot about? Or about the alledged **** he did in Mexico? or the one girl he threw through a glass window or how he not only locked out one of his baby mommas but his daughter as well?

not everything is what it seems all the time man

correct. his outside activities are questionable.
I've been a fan of his skills since the beginning,lost some and won some,but the dude took on everyone.

Im just directing this thread to the ones who claim Oscar is a sell out or acting white. There is no official way of acting,thinking or being mexican, some folks are just hardheaded.

Oscar wants to make the money, thats why this fight is being made. He wants to go out as being the guy that beat the pound for pound guy, to make up for the boring mayweather fight. Oscar the 10 x 6 division champ vs the most exciting fighter today, manny pacquiao, from a marketing standpoint, its a winner.



Pac already fought Marquez twice, close fights but Pac won both IMO.

[Dynamite Kid]

Oscar Delahoya is about as Mexican as Taco Bell! Chavez Jr will avenge his father and bring hope to the true Mexican warriors like Margarito

well what nationality is Ortiz ?

[ferocity]

He speaks English

He is smart

He is good looking

He fought for the U.S...........even if he wanted to fight for Mexico, they would tell him to **** off cause he aint a "real" Mexican.

He uses his boxing skills instead of fighting face first

He is successful

He is ****** rich

He beat and made Mexico's standard of heart and will quit( Chavez).



For all those out there that say he is a sell out or is acting white, check this out.

Name another athlete from either mexico or the U.S of mexican blood taht has put up their own money to build a school and a hospital taht will serve mostly mexicans and mexican americans.................... oh i get it , he's a sell out and aint a real mexican, Gotcha!!!!!

No seas pendejo. Don't belive all you read about Mexicans hating Delahoya, what it is is good press and a good story for boxing writers to say all Mexicans hate Delahoya.

Most all educated Mexicans know english and yes im talking about the ones in Mexico. Don't be so damn ignorant just to stand up for Delahoya. Every top fighter thats made many millions gives back to his people, town.

Don't be ignorant, thats todays lesson. Unless you were being sarcastic?

[-Hyperion-]

you forgot the most imporatant reason....theyre idiots....i mean they believe they have the right to say oscar aint mexican(by law,oscar is...)...and give out ****** reason like oscar acts white...

(which is why ive gone down to their level and told em that pochos shouldnt even try to question another pocho's antionality, cus they arent even recognised as real mexicans by most mexicans anyway...)

i mean mexicans from mexico dont even care......and the ones who do care jsut dislike him because he beat chavez and he is a foreign boxer.....but thats true of ANY pocho...

[-Hyperion-]

Eaner0919...the guy talking about ignorance...even though he thinks the undefeated yory boy campas was old vs trinidad ............

margarito should go and fight a real fight, he IS a fighter who's time is now, stop calling out a ****ing exhibition bussinesman with a hobby....

[Lazy Liberal]

[QUOTE=ferocity;4000349]No seas pendejo. Don't belive all you read about Mexicans hating Delahoya, what it is is good press and a good story for boxing writers to say all Mexicans hate Delahoya.

Most all educated Mexicans know english and yes im talking about the ones in Mexico. Don't be so damn ignorant just to stand up for Delahoya. Every top fighter thats made many millions gives back to his people, town.

Don't be ignorant, thats todays lesson. Unless you were being sarcastic?[/QUOTE]


i'll take this secret to my grave.