Roy is NOT shot

[THE REED]

i saw the thread... didnt really do anything for me.. sorry rizo

[RichCCFC]

Powefull punches

[Eman]

You guys need to seriously harness back some of the vocabulary being used around here... for instance... "SHOT"

Roy Jones Jr. although NOTHING like what he used to be.. (then again who is) is not a SHOT fighter...

Arturo Gatti, is a SHOT fighter... he got handidly beat down by Alfonso Gomez.

Jose Luis Castillo is a SHOT fighter.... he just got beat up on Wednesday Night Fights.

Evander Holyfield is a SHOT fight, no explanation necessary.


He had a bad 2 year situation going on in 2004-05... but since then he has proven he ISNT shot...

Has he proven he can beat an elite fighter? NO, we are yet to see that...

Has he proven he can still win a fight though? YES.
Has he proven he can still see openings and pull the trigger? YES.
Can he still block and avoid punches? YES.
Can he still counter punch? YES.

These are all things a truly SHOT fighter, are incapable of.

Are Anthony Hanshaw and THIS Tito Trinidad Elite fighters? NO, they are not elite fighters...

but can Anthony hanshaw and Tito Trinidad still beat a truly SHOT fighter... yes, they can beat a truly SHOT fighter, just like the guy who beat Castillo on Wednesday night Fights (forget his name).

If Roy was truly SHOT he would of been beaten up by Hanshaw, and he wouldnt of knocked him down.. ESPECIALLY in the 11th round of the fight...

If Roy was TRULY a SHOT fighter, he wouldnt of beaten EVEN THIS Tito Trinidad, and he WOULDNT of knocked Tito down TWICE in the fight, in the 7th and 10th rounds...


Now Ill repeat myself, Hanshaw and Trinidad are not elite fighters.... But a SHOT fighter would still lose to them.

A Shot fighter would not beat them, not knock them down... a SHOT fighter would of been beaten up by the both of them.


I wont sit here and tell you how Roy still has it, and how hes going to beat Joes ass... Do I think Roy can beat Joe? Yes I do... do I think Joe can beat Roy? Yes I do... It really comes down to how much Roy truly has left... but this much I know, a SHOT fighter he is not.

Great post and people will have to agree with you when he beats calz, although everyone will disagree, but i dont believe that cal is a elite fighter.

[THE REED]

Great post and people will have to agree with you when he beats calz, although everyone will disagree, but i dont believe that cal is a elite fighter.

well.... he may not be the "best" fighter ive ever seen... but nonetheless.. he IS elite...

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I s Roy shot? No, I would say he still has something left in the tank but he still is a fraction of the fighter he used to be. I think he gets in the ring with Pavlik and gets KO'd out easily.

The problem with Roy is that he has relied so much on natural skill that he was never a great fundamental boxer. For example, DLH has always been a great fundamental fighter, so when he lost a step in his mid 30's, it didn't affect him as much.

Where as, Roy, relied soley on his speed and when he lost a step he wasn't able to do the same things that he once could. Yea, he looked decent against Trinidad but Trinidad has been shot for about 3 -4 years, nothing impressive there.

I think Roy loses against Calzaghe and he loses against Pavlik. I even think if he and Hopkins were to fight 3 years ago, Hopkins would have had him for lunch.

[Silencers]

I agree. Jones is definitely not shot, he just isn't what he used to be.

[Fenom]

Jones is NOT shot.........most of you need to understand exactly what SHOT is before you say that.

[Stickman]

Jones is NOT shot.........most of you need to understand exactly what SHOT is before you say that.

Considering what he used to be, and what he is now, I'd consider him shot. Maybe still superior to anyone but the very elite in his weight classes, but when you think about how seemingly invincible he used to be, yeah, he's shot. I mean, come on, Glencoffe Johnson KO'd Roy...I like Johnson, he's got a fantastic work ethic, he's always in shape, but his speed (compared to Roy even now) is abysmal. Just a few years ago, he wouldn't have landed anything but a few jabs throughout 12 rounds against Roy, who would've made him look like an amature.

And I don't think it's all caused by Roy's age, either. I think alot of it was caused by him coming down in weight too far, too fast, to take on Tarver. You lose that much muscle mass after wearing it for so long, it does bad things to you. He should've tried to get Tarver to come to a higher catch weight, maybe a 185 to 190 pound cap. 175 was just too much. Tarver is just arrogant enough he probably would've agreed.

[rambov]

I would compare Roy Jones today to Evander of 2 years ago. They both get a bit shaky when they get hit in the head. I wouldn't call him shot though.

[Truth]

that post that ree****yaluss posted above is one of the best posts i've seen in a while.

if jones was completley shot, he would have been koed for a third time by either hanshaw or ajamu.