Steroids and Boxing: 75% of professional boxers above Flyweight use sterioids

[El Dominicano]

all illegal substances arent for punch power benefits, daniel son.

That I understand. What makes you think Guzman or Pacman do it??

[BattlingNelson]

The way forward as I see it is out-of-competion testing of all ranked fighters. To help solve the problem of detecting HGH and EPO the governing bodies could mandate a blood-pass where all the fighters blood-values are given. Any variations on those blood-levels should result in quarantine (ban or whatever the word is in english).

Let me add that cycling in those years are trying to put forward the blood-passport in the wake of several scandals. The lesson being that boxing better do something now, instead of waiting untill a scandal breaks out which is bound to happen sooner rather than later.

[Stormin' Norman]

That I understand. What makes you think Guzman or Pacman do it??

I don't think, I know that they do. And it's not 'it', I mean, just illegal substances in general throughout their careers. You're 19, so I can understand you viewing it as just one thing, but it isn't. It's many, many over a thousand different things that could be beneficial to a fighter in some aspect that are illegal as ****.

[tntkid]

This is a problem that will never go away. The chemists will always be one step ahead of the testers.

[El Dominicano]

I don't think, I know that they do. And it's not 'it', I mean, just illegal substances in general throughout their careers. You're 19, so I can understand you viewing it as just one thing, but it isn't. It's many, many over a thousand different things that could be beneficial to a fighter in some aspect that are illegal as ****.

Yes I'm old enough to understand that but I'm asking you...what makes you think Guzman and Pac are using illegal substances??

[Clegg]

Bat, Scott, IMDAZED, you guys all know your stuff but I'm inclined to disagree on this one.

People like Hagler, LaMotta, Marciano, Jim Jeffries, and even people with a lot of skill like Sugar Ray Robinson, as well as many others from the past were as tough as hell, had great endurance and kept coming in a way that, in my opinion, exceeds fights such as Eubank-Watson.

Margarito has exceptional endurance and stamina, but so do a lot of Mexican fighters, and that has been the case before HGH was ever used by any sportsperson. Is the Hopkins of today that much better than Archie Moore was in his early 40s? And Moore fought more often as well.

Although he is not vocal about it, from what I understand Hopkins' religion is very important to him, and I don't think that he would go against it by using drugs.

Someone mentioned Wlad. The guy isn't really that muscular and doesn't have great stamina. If he really is using something, how bad must he be without it? And why isn't he using whatever it is that Margarito uses?

There were a hell of a lot of tough fights in the 15 round era, and on average I would say the boxers of the past took more punishment without breaking down than those of today. Look at how Cotto was broken down by Margarito, and how Judah was broken down by Cotto etc. and this is with larger gloves than they had in previous eras, so you would expect it to take longer.

[Pullcounter]

If you're going to make such boisterous claims, at least back it up with a link.

and the link must be somewhat credible.

[Talon]

i agree with the thread but SHUT UP and about it already.. we dont need everybody to know. keep it a secret so we hold our advantage damn

yes almost all of them use the only ones i doubt are juan diaz, margarito, marquez, cotto and a few others lol

[BKM-]

I think a lot of you don't understand how hard some of these guys work. Their training regimes and the fact that they're gifted disprove these claims for me.

[BattlingNelson]

Bat, Scott, IMDAZED, you guys all know your stuff but I'm inclined to disagree on this one.

People like Hagler, LaMotta, Marciano, Jim Jeffries, and even people with a lot of skill like Sugar Ray Robinson, as well as many others from the past were as tough as hell, had great endurance and kept coming in a way that, in my opinion, exceeds fights such as Eubank-Watson.

Margarito has exceptional endurance and stamina, but so do a lot of Mexican fighters, and that has been the case before HGH was ever used by any sportsperson. Is the Hopkins of today that much better than Archie Moore was in his early 40s? And Moore fought more often as well.

Although he is not vocal about it, from what I understand Hopkins' religion is very important to him, and I don't think that he would go against it by using drugs.

Someone mentioned Wlad. The guy isn't really that muscular and doesn't have great stamina. If he really is using something, how bad must he be without it? And why isn't he using whatever it is that Margarito uses?

There were a hell of a lot of tough fights in the 15 round era, and on average I would say the boxers of the past took more punishment without breaking down than those of today. Look at how Cotto was broken down by Margarito, and how Judah was broken down by Cotto etc. and this is with larger gloves than they had in previous eras, so you would expect it to take longer.

I can be wrong, but there are a lot of signs of widespread drug abuse in the sport. Balco-case for instance and all the top fighters who has tested positive despite the very crude testing methods boxing authorities gets away with (only urine testing, no blood testing).

I hope I'm wrong here, but a bomb could be ready to explode or perhaps a drug-related ring-fatalitie might occur. Perhaps it has already occurred, but all parties have an interest in not getting that out in public. It's pure speculation I know and I hope I'm proven wrong.