which Boxers are more open defensively

[Bad-Wlad]

do you think ali and klitschko use a similar defense?

does that make any difference if you dont get hit you are good defensively unless you are fighting fighters early in your career who are not good enough to take advantage of defensive flaws

[Stormin' Norman]

why you got litzau in your top 10? his survival abilities against guys who aren't even gatekeepers?...i guess when i see a name like his among those of tunney etc I get pissed, sorry

[Silencers]

yes because he was fighting cans good fighters make u pay


Hamed and Eubank are the worst examples you could use for fighters with good defence

You and I were watching different things, Hamed wasn't great on defense but it was better than you are giving him credit for.

And Eubank was probably the slickest British boxer outside of Michael Watson in the "Golden Age" of British boxing.

We'll just agree to disagree.

[Stormin' Norman]

does that make any difference if you dont get hit you are good defensively unless you are fighting fighters early in your career who are not good enough to take advantage of defensive flaws

it actually does make a small difference.

because, if you think standing in the pocket bobbing and weaving around shots is easier than using movement and jabbing while floating around the ring, you're wrong...it's easier and less risky to float and fight at range...they are two different kinds of defense. I think if Klitschko would fight in the pocket and not move at all, he would be very 'open defensively' just because how he holds his guard.

Ali was different- he utilized a guard against top world level opponents, bobbed, weaved, and slipped...You do not see Klitschko doing this.

[Bad-Wlad]

You and I were watching different things, Hamed wasn't great on defense but it was better than you are giving him credit for.

And Eubank was probably the slickest British boxer outside of Michael Watson in the "Golden Age" of British boxing.

We'll just agree to disagree.

he was good at counter punching on the backfoot but he had a terrible defence when he was attacking he took to many risks and was wide open maybe that is why he got hit more later in his career because he started to believe in his power and was always on the attack where he was more open defensively

Eubank took huge punishment that is why his career ended so soon

yes we will have agree to disagree

[Bad-Wlad]

it actually does make a small difference.

because, if you think standing in the pocket bobbing and weaving around shots is easier than using movement and jabbing while floating around the ring, you're wrong...it's easier and less risky to float and fight at range...they are two different kinds of defense. I think if Klitschko would fight in the pocket and not move at all, he would be very 'open defensively' just because how he holds his guard.

Ali was different- he utilized a guard against top world level opponents, bobbed, weaved, and slipped...You do not see Klitschko doing this.

who cares whats easier if you dont get hit end of story

[Stormin' Norman]

who cares whats easier if you dont get hit end of story

you're a moron...

-K me if you want, I really don't give a ****. but that was just a ****** comment....

plus, I think you make other white guys like myself look bad...a top ten list of your favorite guys, all white dudes, with ****ing punk assed litzau in there...that guy is going to end up a tomato can...and his name is next to tunney's? what the ****?

how old are you, man?

[Bad-Wlad]

you're a moron...

-K me if you want, I really don't give a ****. but that was just a ****** comment....

plus, I think you make other white guys like myself look bad...a top ten list of your favorite guys, all white dudes, with ****ing punk assed litzau in there...that guy is going to end up a tomato can...and his name is next to tunney's? what the ****?

how old are you, man?

am i not allowed to like White fighters does it mean im a racist ?

[Stormin' Norman]

am i not allowed to like White fighters does it mean im a racist ?

Argue with an idiot in public, and the public labels you in the same class as who you're arguing with. I'm going to use a political style departure, and just put it to you like that.

[Bad-Wlad]

Argue with an idiot in public, and the public labels you in the same class as who you're arguing with. I'm going to use a political style departure, and just put it to you like that.

too late you already resorted to calling me a moron because i proved you were talking nonesense

and then you try and make out im a racist because my favourite fighters are white