I'm a brit and i dont rave over calzaghe

[Kris Silver]

True true. Roy had more pull than BHop and Calzaghe combined in the opponent draw category.

Defo, and Hops and Zaghe's careers are frighteningly similar aswell, some of their biggest wins late on for example. Hops gets loads more respect over all though.

[hishaam15]

im britishh too and i dont realyy like calzaghe
not that i hate him or anything i jus dont like his fighting style

[DanielTurcotte3]

Who care if America has heard of him, this is what annoys me the most in boxing. Why should a fighter whos been more recognised be getting the better end than a world champion. A ring is a ring, its a sport, its NOT A BUSINESS! boxing went downhill when people started treating it as a business and not a sport. It doesn't matter if your fighting in Timbuktu or Las Vegas aslong as the best are fighting the best but to many fighters including Calzaghe just fight for money these days.

You just padded my argument. Calzaghe has NEVER fought the best thats the thing. The only way he could have fought the BEST is if he came to America 7-8 years ago. Point blank he didnt for whatever reason. Joe Calzaghe would be a better fighter in my eyes and i think in the American public if he came over say in 2003 and lost 2-3 fights b/c he was fighting the elite fighters in the divisions, not jus the SMW division either.

[IMDAZED]

Roys un doubtedly got a better resume. I think a little too much emphasis is put on resumes though. Fighters careers are largely forged by the climate around them, in the quality of opponents available, willing and scene overall.

Excellent point on the latter but I believe not ENOUGH emphasis is put on a resume. It's up to the fighter to take a risk. Roy Jones Jr. gave up his middleweight title and risked EVERYTHING by moving up a division to fight the man considered one of the three best fighters in the world; an undefeated champ in his prime.

He didn't have to do that. But you have to dare to be great. Or end up making excuses later.

[hishaam15]

Defo, and Hops and Zaghe's careers are frighteningly similar aswell, some of their biggest wins late on for example. Hops gets loads more respect over all though.

yeah, coz bhop fought them in the US, and at 40 odd years. pulled out when he was the underdog

[hishaam15]

Excellent point on the latter but I believe not ENOUGH emphasis is put on a resume. It's up to the fighter to take a risk. Roy Jones Jr. gave up his middleweight title and risked EVERYTHING by moving up a division to fight the man considered one of the three best fighters in the world; an undefeated champ in his prime.

He didn't have to do that. But you have to dare to be great. Or end up making excuses later.

Yeh, he risked even more going up to HW

[cosmichorn]

jones>calzaghe

not sure who will win though, but jones fought the best at the time

[majestiC]

You just padded my argument. Calzaghe has NEVER fought the best thats the thing. The only way he could have fought the BEST is if he came to America 7-8 years ago. Point blank he didnt for whatever reason. Joe Calzaghe would be a better fighter in my eyes and i think in the American public if he came over say in 2003 and lost 2-3 fights b/c he was fighting the elite fighters in the divisions, not jus the SMW division either.

Why should a world champion have to travel 4000 miles to fight every 3 months? the biggest problem in boxing is the ABC titles, they make being a world champion pointless or when you get fighters as big as Hatton & Oscar De La Hoya where they can just pick and choose who they want mainly down to money. There needs to be a big overhall in boxing in general to make it a fair enough playing field for all countries around the world because its just becoming a joke. The former Russian states have fantastic amatuers but when they turn pro they have no chance mainly because they can't get fights. You telling me every fighter should go to America to fight the so called "best", but how are you going to build a name up in the States. People arn't going to see some random Brit make his way up the ladder.

[Kris Silver]

Excellent point on the latter but I believe not ENOUGH emphasis is put on a resume. It's up to the fighter to take a risk. Roy Jones Jr. gave up his middleweight title and risked EVERYTHING by moving up a division to fight the man considered one of the three best fighters in the world; an undefeated champ in his prime.

He didn't have to do that. But you have to dare to be great. Or end up making excuses later.

That's where we differ then, which is cool. I just prefer to judge boxers on their visual performances and abilities not whom they manage to face at the time which is mostly determined not by them but the scene and politics.

Again Roys more talented overall, but Calzaghe also had hardly any close fights, he won one sidedly even when facing guys in the top 10 of his division.

I also thing Roy's a bit of a unique one in terms of his athleticism and willing to mess around with his weight so much, which has clearly harmed his career and ability immensely. So it's as much as it's made him great, he's gone on to lose because of it over a period of years rather than continuing to dominate where he was for years more. I think that's what guys like Calzaghe are like, their at the correct and comfortable weight for them and that's that. Plus guys around SMW tend to not move around weights too quite as much. Just all very different.

yeah, coz bhop fought them in the US, and at 40 odd years. pulled out when he was the underdog

Not sure what you mean. Whats the relevance as to where on the globe they faced their fighters? Calzaghe faced loads of Americans some top contenders and the home advantage wasn't that much of a factor. Who pulled out of what?

[Dan...]

It is all about the resume people. It is who you beat not how you look that defines you as a fighter. I'm not saying that Joe doesn't have a good resume, it may not be as good as Roy's but I still rate it. Other things do come into consideration for sure but in the end it is all about the resume.