Whos the greatest fighter of all time?

[Winter]

I can't wait until your part of the bet gets deleted. Because I know you really know boxing.

[Dark Destroyer]

I can't wait until your part of the bet gets deleted. Because I know you really know boxing.

Thank you for your compliment, it will be deleted soon. I had faith that Oscar De La Hoya would win, i still think he would have if it would have gone the distance but i guess we will never know now. I respect him compeletely for trying to achieve ultimate greatness in boxing.

[J !]

YEAH AGREED WEZ, Im kool cheers bro, at work too, though sites such as this ease the pain if not up the workload.

I take you point bout Ali but sometimes certain styles cause fighters some grief, Norton for Ali, read Forrest for Mosely, Tarver for Jones etc.

Would have been a good fight betewen the brown bomber and G.O.A.T. too close too call I reckon but you make some valid points there bro.

Speaking of which have you seen the book of the same name, its truly awesome though you would need a plinth to put it on.

There was an Aliexhibtion I went to just off the dstrand in London near where I work, nice two hour lunch that was wandering around looking at the photos and memorabilia, the book was there too.

Must admit Im not sure I could have stretched to 5 grand for the signed copies nor found a place to keep it!!!

[Dark Destroyer]

YEAH AGREED WEZ, Im kool cheers bro, at work too, though sites such as this ease the pain if not up the workload.

I take you point bout Ali but sometimes certain styles cause fighters some grief, Norton for Ali, read Forrest for Mosely, Tarver for Jones etc.

Would have been a good fight betewen the brown bomber and G.O.A.T. too close too call I reckon but you make some valid points there bro.

Speaking of which have you seen the book of the same name, its truly awesome though you would need a plinth to put it on.

There was an Aliexhibtion I went to just off the dstrand in London near where I work, nice two hour lunch that was wandering around looking at the photos and memorabilia, the book was there too.

Must admit Im not sure I could have stretched to 5 grand for the signed copies nor found a place to keep it!!!

Ah your working too, it’s cool to be able to post on here and get paid for doing it. My work comes in bouts so when I get free time I utilise it well by talking boxing.

I haven’t seen that book you mentioned, I would love to see it though. At 5 grand a copy you would have to cherish that completely, a slight tear would bug the hell out of me. I bet the exhibition was cool to look around, I haven’t been to one before. Although if I did go to one I would spend too much money, I would be like a little kid in a sweet shop. Have you read the Muhammad Ali biography by Thomas Hauser? That was very insightful read, that’s where I learned most of what I know about Ali

[jabsRstiff]

"Thank you for your compliment, it will be deleted soon. I had faith that Oscar De La Hoya would win, i still think he would have if it would have gone the distance "

Wez, based on what...besides your own wishful thinking ?

He was NOT in the lead....& was starting to get it worse with each passing round.
Are you saying you believe Oscar, who has a history of fading, was going to suddenly start beating on Hopkins, a man who never fades ?

Oh, yes...the best fighter of all time is Ray Robinson.
Sure, it seems cliche to say that. But, what he did at 147, before any footage of him ws taken....was pretty amazing.

Armstrong is a very close second. This man didn't win any "junior/super" titles...he won 3 TRUE titles, & did so within a year ! He didn't have time to get comforatble in a weight classs. He just went into these divisions, fought the best guys, & beat the best guys.
During this run, he challenged the middleweight champ, the tough Ceferino Garcia....& supposedly got shafted on the cards.
Can you imagine anything like this happening now ?

[J !]

yip I have wez, another good one is "Facing Ali" cant remember the author but its 15 of his opponents, and what's happened to them during and since meeting ali, focussing on their fights with Ali obviously, very entertaining read.

Especially the frazier chapter, amazed me that Joe actually helped Ali so much when he was out in the cold.

The book is so massive and expensive cos its signed by Ali, only a 1000 copies signed I belive hence the hefty price tag. It is however a work of art.

[anthetamine]

thats a good point..... anyone know which are the best boxing books to read, i dont do any reading because it doesnt interest me but if it had somethin to do with boxing, past or present then i would take it up


anyway, best fighter of all time

Ali/robinson/marciano/hagler

[J !]

sure mate heres a few:

Dark trade by Donald Mcrae (insight into Toney espeically ) great book this, everyday lives of boxers. IN fact possibly my favourite.

One i finshed recently but was written in 74 The greatest my own story, bout ali, ghost written by a guy called Durman I think.

Obviously
Thomas Hauser's "Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times

if you like you old 40s history Gilroy by Jim Glen is an interesting read bout a champ who never was and gives a good oversight into the social sturcture and the "booths" in post war scotland / britain.

Punchlines by Phil berger covers lots of different fighters.


"Tyson in and out of the ring" is another Ive been recomemended but not read.


Im reading one at present whci is more of a picture book if you like on Lennox, its a lovely book to own this one as the fotos are really somink else, photso by Blaise hart and text by meilssa mathison.

It covers a few fights over a period of time with actual i/views with the great man.

very light but enjoyable and like I say a nice book to own.

that keep ya busy for now?

[Dark Destroyer]

Wez, based on what...besides your own wishful thinking ?

He was NOT in the lead....& was starting to get it worse with each passing round.
Are you saying you believe Oscar, who has a history of fading, was going to suddenly start beating on Hopkins, a man who never fades ?
?

No i don't think that BUT when a fight goes to the score cards the judges have tendencies to make the wrong decisions and in a fight like that i am 100% that they would have given it to Oscar. Everyone wanted to see history been made and i think they would have done it at any cost. How did OScar get past Sturm? He lost that fight in my opinion but the judges still gave him the decision there so that is what i was basing my opinion that Oscar would have won by going the distance. The judges would have just turned around and said "He had good combination punching" etc.

[Winter]

No i don't think that BUT when a fight goes to the score cards the judges have tendencies to make the wrong decisions and in a fight like that i am 100% that they would have given it to Oscar. Everyone wanted to see history been made and i think they would have done it at any cost. How did OScar get past Sturm? He lost that fight in my opinion but the judges still gave him the decision there so that is what i was basing my opinion that Oscar would have won by going the distance. The judges would have just turned around and said "He had good combination punching" etc.

I agree with you Wez. I like your avatar.