Whos the greatest fighter of all time?

[TheGreat1]

I would have to go with J.C.Chavez. this guy was amazing. he didn't lose a fight until his 91st i beleive. no one can compare to that, he he always fought the best any div had to offer.

[grayfist]

I would have to go with J.C.Chavez. this guy was amazing. he didn't lose a fight until his 91st i beleive. no one can compare to that, he he always fought the best any div had to offer.

Chavez, yes, should be in the mix. He's a throwback to the golden days when most top fighters had records near, at, or more than the century mark. His record argues volumes...and loudly too! Foolish of me to have fogotten him in my earlier post.

[TheGreat1]

Chavez, yes, should be in the mix. He's a throwback to the golden days when most top fighters had records near, at, or more than the century mark. His record argues volumes...and loudly too! Foolish of me to have fogotten him in my earlier post.

yes but non was still undefeated by the 90 mark.

[oldgringo]

Pernell Whitaker won a round while only throwing 1 punch too...I forget what fight it was... he won on just making the other fighter look like a fool. I think the greatest fighter ever was Ray Robinson. It's hard to argue against him...I mean the term p4p was created for him.

[grayfist]

yes but non was still undefeated by the 90 mark.

All the more Impressive!

[grayfist]

Pernell Whitaker won a round while only throwing 1 punch too...I forget what fight it was... he won on just making the other fighter look like a fool. I think the greatest fighter ever was Ray Robinson. It's hard to argue against him...I mean the term p4p was created for him.

Pernell did?! And to think I thought that Pep story was apochryphal! One punch! Awesome!

[J !]

hhmm would ali have beatne a prime Joe louis? I dunno. I dont favour either in that, both are by far and away out there on their own as the gtreatest heavies in my view.

Generally when it comes to these lists its difficult to maintain, say if you make up a top ten theres bound to be fighters who you have missed from a different era, I kinda "doh" I missed him ****!! you know. So while these lists are fun to debate they are ultimately futile and pointless.


for me Sugar Ray R is the best.

[Dark Destroyer]

hhmm would ali have beatne a prime Joe louis? I dunno. I dont favour either in that, both are by far and away out there on their own as the gtreatest heavies in my view.

I'd favour Ali in this particular fight, Joe Louis was a great fighter in every aspect apart from one department in my opinion and that was footwork. I don't think he would have been able to get close to a prime Muhammed Ali personally, Ali would be sticking and moving round him all the time. If they fought close quarters then Joe Louis would get the advantage. Someone like Ali with good footwork can dictate the pace of this fight and Joe Louis didn't have the footwork to seriously threaten Ali. Joe Louis doesn't get stopped though, Ali wins on points. Thats just my opinion and please don't think i am discrediting Joe Louis because i'm not, he is my number 2 heavyweight of all time but Ali is the king in my opinion

[J !]

hio Wez, how you doing mate, you may be right there though frazier was hardly twinkle toes and he gave ali hell!

depends which ali we are talking I guess, pre ban or post.

Two different fighters imo.


Then again he adapted so well you have to think he would have possibly out though Joe...dunno though the brown bomber was somink special, I cant split em, i never have been able to.

both great in their own right.

[Dark Destroyer]

hio Wez, how you doing mate, you may be right there though frazier was hardly twinkle toes and he gave ali hell!

depends which ali we are talking I guess, pre ban or post.

Two different fighters imo.


Then again he adapted so well you have to think he would have possibly out though Joe...dunno though the brown bomber was somink special, I cant split em, i never have been able to.

both great in their own right.

Hey JPW I’m doing fine thanks, I’m at work which is crap but apart from that everything’s cool. How are you doing?

You have a very good point with Joe Frazier, it’s amazing how more even these matchups can get the more you think about them. They are two very different fighter, Joe was very tactical and had explosive power in his fists. What always amazes me about Joe Louis was his ability to throw short range hooks with such devastating power. I think he would have given Muhammed Ali hell on the inside purely because Joe Louis was a heavy puncher with brains. George was an intelligent fighter when he was older but in his youth he just brawled and didn’t think too much. Muhammed Ali could adapt quickly, it would have been very interesting. I still give him the edge in this fight though, I get a feeling that Ali’s footwork would overwhelm Joe Louis. I know Frazier gave Ali trouble but thinking about it now each fighter and fight is different. It was like Ken Norton, he only gave Ali so much trouble because of the way Ali fought him, he made things difficult on himself in those fights. Ali kept backing off and let Norton fight his fight which was a bad idea.

Both fighters are very great and I couldn’t separate them before but over the last few months my opinions have changed through watching more and learning more about Ali.