Kessler gets way too much credit for the Calzaghe fight

[Flawless.]

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Your true boxing ability is shown when you fight a top opponent. Kessler fought Calzaghe and failed big time losing a UD. You talk up like Kessler is something special going 12 rounds with Mundine is quite hilarious. Kessler best win was not Mundine but his lost to Calzaghe he is a very limited boxer doesn’t use angles and isn’t anything special with his hand speed or ring intelligence

[abadger]

"If Kessler fell apart and looked average against Calzaghe, it's because Calzaghe was so superior. Kessler would destroy any other MW or SMW."

You are an idiot. To believe that Kessler fell apart or looked average against Calzaghe you would either have to dislike both fighters a great deal, or be blind. Did you see the fight? Both fighters were excellent, but Calzaghe put on an absolute masterclass.

"If Lacy looks like **** now, it's because Calzaghe ruined him. He was a quality fighter before Joe came along."

I don't know any Calzaghe fans who bother saying Lacy was ruined by Calzaghe, most just laugh at him. I've seen his fights before and after Calzaghe, and he was never very good, although I must admit his recent performance against Mendoza did plumb new depths of awfulness.

"Kessler is better than anyone on Pavlik's resume; everyone knows Taylor lost to Hopkins who Joe exposed as a dirty, tired, old fighter, while Kessler was a great champion."

Kessler probably is better than anyone on Pavlik's resume, considering the only fighter on it who could possibly be better than him is Jermain Taylor. Taylor gets a great deal of credit from me for managing to beat Hopkins, which is no easy task, and his title defences were solid. Lets be honest about it though, he has never managed a convincing win over any top level opponent. He has a better resume than Kessler, sure, but if you really think he is a hands down better boxer then I can only conclude that you are unable to use the evidence presented by your own eyes and will spend the rest of your time as a boxing fan clutching the bits of paper that records are written on and saying "he's the best because it says so here!".

Open your eyes, start using your brain, and above all stop being offended when other people have different opinions than you.

[dstew]

You are an idiot. To believe that Kessler fell apart or looked average against Calzaghe you would either have to dislike both fighters a great deal, or be blind. Did you see the fight? Both fighters were excellent, but Calzaghe put on an absolute masterclass.

I AM AN IDIOT?! I was quoting exactly what YOU said in response to another poster's comments! HAHAHA! The idiot is you!

Do you need to see it again? Here:

Imagine a scenario where Kessler's so called mental and tactical collapse was nothing more or less than being outboxed by a superior opponent. Kessler tried hard throughout that fight, its just that most of what he did was not working.

I don't know any Calzaghe fans who bother saying Lacy was ruined by Calzaghe, most just laugh at him.

You don't? Do you even read these forums? Here, let me help again:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3903013&postcount=136

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3809701&postcount=23

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3809686&postcount=22

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3824608&postcount=4

Should I keep going?

Kessler probably is better than anyone on Pavlik's resume, considering the only fighter on it who could possibly be better than him is Jermain Taylor. Taylor gets a great deal of credit from me for managing to beat Hopkins, which is no easy task, and his title defences were solid. Lets be honest about it though, he has never managed a convincing win over any top level opponent. He has a better resume than Kessler, sure, but if you really think he is a hands down better boxer then I can only conclude that you are unable to use the evidence presented by your own eyes and will spend the rest of your time as a boxing fan clutching the bits of paper that records are written on and saying "he's the best because it says so here!".

The difference between my eyes and your eyes is I take into account the level of competition a fighter faces when I analyze his talent. It's not all about resume, but you can't say Kessler is better than Taylor simply because Kessler has looked slightly more dominant against lesser competition.

Open your eyes, start using your brain, and above all stop being offended when other people have different opinions than you.

I'm not offended. Annoyed at this never-ending argument about Calzaghe vs. Anyone, which is why I made the post above mocking some of the lines I hear spewed from the likes of you, but offended? Please. Get over yourself!

[abadger]

I AM AN IDIOT?! I was quoting exactly what YOU said in response to another poster's comments! HAHAHA! The idiot is you!

How is believing that Kessler got outboxed and that he did not 'collapse' the same as believing that he did? This I do not understand, maybe I really am an idiot. Or....

You don't? Do you even read these forums? Here, let me help again:

Should I keep going?

Wow, you really owned me there. You take the opinion of a few Calzaghe fans as though thats what everyone says. Anyone with half a brain in their head knows Lacy was always ****.

The difference between my eyes and your eyes is I take into account the level of competition a fighter faces when I analyze his talent. It's not all about resume, but you can't say Kessler is better than Taylor simply because Kessler has looked slightly more dominant against lesser competition.

If Kessler fought Taylor, who do you think would win? How and why? The point here is that believing Kessler to be better than Taylor is not ridiculous, as you try to make out it is, its actually a widely shared and reasonable opinion.

[dstew]

How is believing that Kessler got outboxed and that he did not 'collapse' the same as believing that he did? This I do not understand, maybe I really am an idiot. Or....

You're arguing semantics. It doesn't change the intent of my post, which was to mock your explanation that despite trying hard, Kessler looked only average against Calzaghe because Calzaghe is such a superior fighter. It falls right in line with the other comments I mocked, which all point to the fact that certain Calzaghe fans always find a way to build up his opponents, glossing over their faults by referring back to Joe's own superiority.

Wow, you really owned me there. You take the opinion of a few Calzaghe fans as though thats what everyone says. Anyone with half a brain in their head knows Lacy was always ****.

You said you didn't know any Calzaghe fans who say that he "ruined" Lacy, when in fact that is one of the most often quoted lines about Lacy that I see on this forum, often by Calzaghe fans. I showed you a few examples, and there are many more out there (do a search); we're not talking about "a few Calzaghe fans." I find it impossible to believe with as many posts as you have here that you haven't come across this sentiment.

And again, you insult anyone who might hold a different opinion than you...

If Kessler fought Taylor, who do you think would win? How and why? The point here is that believing Kessler to be better than Taylor is not ridiculous, as you try to make out it is, its actually a widely shared and reasonable opinion.

Personally I think it would be a close, competitive fight. I've never said otherwise, nor have I said it's ridiculous to think that Kessler is better. I disagreed with the way you, in your last post, used Taylor's lack of convincing wins over top level opposition as a means to justify your belief that Kessler is better because he's had more dominant wins, when those wins have been against lesser competition than Taylor has faced.

[joseph5620]

Let's see. He mentally and tactically imploded after 4 rounds, and spent the next ones, until the last one, looking confused.

This was his first fight against an elite level boxer, and he failed big time.

So why has he come away from that fight with so much credit? Because he made the Calzaghe freaks **** their pants a little by stunning JC with those uppercuts early on?

Added to the fact that I don't particularly rate Calzaghe, thus meaning I don't see it as some creditable defeat.

The same people who now say "kessler's not that good" are probably the same people who picked Kessler to win. It's the same thing with Lacy. It's no coincidence that these same people happen to dislike Calzaghe. These same people say Calzaghe lost to Hopkins. It never ends. Kessler is a world class fighter lost to a great fighter and future HOF fighter. End of story.

[daggum]

The same people who now say "kessler's not that good" are probably the same people who picked Kessler to win. It's the same thing with Lacy. It's no coincidence that these same people happen to dislike Calzaghe. These same people say Calzaghe lost to Hopkins. It never ends. Kessler is a world class fighter lost to a great fighter and future HOF fighter. End of story.

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[BattlingNelson]

Let's see. He mentally and tactically imploded after 4 rounds, and spent the next ones, until the last one, looking confused.

This was his first fight against an elite level boxer, and he failed big time.

So why has he come away from that fight with so much credit? Because he made the Calzaghe freaks **** their pants a little by stunning JC with those uppercuts early on?

Added to the fact that I don't particularly rate Calzaghe, thus meaning I don't see it as some creditable defeat.

I firmly believe that Kessler would have won had he not had an injured right and sparred before the fight.

I'd pick Kessler easily in a rematch as Joe appears to have slipped a little.

[Randall_Hopkirk]

I firmly believe that Kessler would have won had he not had an injured right and sparred before the fight.

I'd pick Kessler easily in a rematch as Joe appears to have slipped a little.

lol Calzaghe has slipped? He had one fight since against an awkward son of a *****. So Kessler goes from losing comfortably to winning easily a potential rematch?, If you were'nt from Denmark I'd be puzzled as to that logic.

[Dynamite Kid]

Kessler only gets too much credit from Calzaghe fans. They think kess is like some god and would beat all the top guys at 160-175 cept Joe. I think the rest of us see Kessler for what he is. A good solid fighter but not a world beater, atleast not right now.

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