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  • da_beast
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    #11
    Originally posted by S.G.
    Hopkins arguably beat (at very least gave him the fight of his life) the #2 pound for pound fighter, why shouldn't he be near him in the rankings?
    Cause he got beaten by Taylor twice then Calzaghe as well. not the run of a top 10 p4p champ in my opinion..

    Where is Winky on the list?

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    • S.G.
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      #12
      Originally posted by da_beast
      Cause he got beaten by Taylor twice then Calzaghe as well. not the run of a top 10 p4p champ in my opinion..
      you can argue that he won all of those fights

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      • STEELHEAD
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        #13
        Originally posted by PrettyBoyFloyd7
        It is a pretty accurate list, but what the hell is Hopkins doing at # 4?
        yes...have margarito and hopkins exchange places!

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          #14
          Originally posted by PrettyBoyFloyd7
          It is a pretty accurate list, but what the hell is Hopkins doing at # 4?
          Pavlik wouldn't even bother with Hopkins if he wasn't still on everyone's P4P list. Why can't people see that Hopkins is old and washed up? He's 2-3 in his last 5...

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          • PRboxingfan
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            #15
            Hopkins shouldn't be on the list and Vazquez deserves the #4 spot, if not the #3. A good argument can be made that he's a better P4Per than Marquez.

            As for Margarito and Cotto, they're too high. Cotto should've dropped to 10th and Margarito should only be 8th, behind Rafa Marquez.

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            • Mr. Ryan
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              #16
              Originally posted by da_beast
              That list is a big pile of horse ****.

              As much as i like hopkins he is not the No.4 in the world

              and Rafael Marquez no longer deserves to be there. Vasquez should be higher and he says that manny oscar is a fight the whole boxing world wants to see..

              I think alot of boxing fans will disagree with that.

              A pile of ****.

              Winky doesn't even get a shout.... or Wlad
              Heavyweights don't get on pound for pound lists, thats why they are called pound for pound lists. Pound for pound, regardless of stature, they measure the accomplishments and abilities of fighters.

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              • PRboxingfan
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                #17
                Originally posted by S.G.
                you can argue that he won all of those fights
                Arguing that he won those fights doesn't take the put the loses in the W column. The truth is that he lost them per the judges at ringside. That makes him un-P4P worthy, in my book.

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                • them_apples
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                  #18
                  Hopkins belongs somewhere near the bottom

                  I'm glad Marquez is up there, he deserves the recognition for being an excellent fighter who fights top competition.

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                  • PrettyBoyFloyd7
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                    #19
                    hopefully if Hopkins loses to Pavlik hell be banned from all p4p lists

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                    • S.G.
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by PRboxingfan
                      Arguing that he won those fights doesn't take the put the loses in the W column. The truth is that he lost them per the judges at ringside. That makes him un-P4P worthy, in my book.
                      so you think the W or L is more important than the performance and reality of the situation

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