Calzaghe/Pavlik vs Hopkins

[abadger]

Mate he got decked as clean as a whistle there is no argument , I thought Joe won but was not impressive and I,ll say it again if Pavlik KOs Bhop its a infinitely more impressive win than Joes over Bhop , now by your reasoning that Kelly is easy for Joe then Bhop should beat Kelly easy , we will see .

No argument from me, if Pavlik KOs Hopkins of course it's better. Won't happen though. I think we have a misunderstanding on the word 'decked' you mean the KD don't you? Here in the UK its a common euphamism for 'beaten up'.

[Chunk..]

One word, Keeley

One day I will marry her.

Hell i'd be happy with her taking a dump in my mouth. Am easy to please.

[T-97]

Hell i'd be happy with her taking a dump in my mouth. Am easy to please.

lol.................

[RodBarker]

Nice, so you reply again without actually taking on board or responding to any of the points made. Again, what I said are short, reasonable well known factors. You can run and hide from them all you want but all it shows is an un willingness to fairly weigh up the known factors of wins for different fighters with different styles, scenarios, in different fights.

Fighter A does not = fighter B.

So their wins against fighter C have to be weighed up considering styles, age, tactics, previous performances, usual winning style, power, speed and more.

If you can't accept such a basic thing as this in comparing boxers then your incredibly simplistic in your assessments.

You should be a politition they get well paid for side talk , my assessment is black and white real yours is about defending Calzaghe lackluster performance , the fact is against Bhop Kelly is taking a much bigger step than what Joe did in the same fight and in all areas , weight , experience and class of opponents and you said if Kelly gets a UD or a KO its similar to Joes scrap home , that sir is a crock no matter how you spin it !

[RodBarker]

No argument from me, if Pavlik KOs Hopkins of course it's better. Won't happen though. I think we have a misunderstanding on the word 'decked' you mean the KD don't you? Here in the UK its a common euphamism for 'beaten up'.

Ah yes decked for me means KD

[Kris Silver]

You should be a politition they get well paid for side talk , my assessment is black and white real yours is about defending Calzaghe lackluster performance , the fact is against Bhop Kelly is taking a much bigger step than what Joe did in the same fight and in all areas , weight , experience and class of opponents and you said if Kelly gets a UD or a KO its similar to Joes scrap home , that sir is a crock no matter how you spin it !

I'm just saying there's more to it, then simply a KO or UD win is better all round than another guys decision win. It's not like everythings the same in comparing, there's lots more to consider.

In polls on here there wasn't much different in the voting of Calzaghe winning vs Hopkins, vs Pavlik beating Hopkins.

The way ppl voted as to how either would win was naturally different however, reflecting the styles of all 3 fighters. The power of Pavlik and his high likelyhood of KO's, versus Calzaghes speed and accuracy for more likely decision wins and not KO's because of much less power.

Calzaghe wins decisions with speed and accuracy. Pavlik wins with power and and KO's. Again, pretty sound well known things. So it's not radical to predict a Pavlik KO far more likely and more easily achieveable for Pavlik than for Joe. Think about it. It's as much criticising Joe as it is Kelly, it's purely looking at the strengths and weaknesses in which they win fights. Horses for courses.

[RodBarker]

I'm just saying there's more to it, then simply a KO or UD win is better all round than another guys decision win. It's not like everythings the same in comparing, there's lots more to consider.

In polls on here there wasn't much different in the voting of Calzaghe winning vs Hopkins, vs Pavlik beating Hopkins.

The way ppl voted as to how either would win was naturally different however, reflecting the styles of all 3 fighters. The power of Pavlik and his high likelyhood of KO's, versus Calzaghes speed and accuracy for more likely decision wins and not KO's because of much less power.

Calzaghe wins decisions with speed and accuracy. Pavlik wins with power and and KO's. Again, pretty sound well known things. So it's not radical to predict a Pavlik KO far more likely and more easily achieveable for Pavlik than for Joe. Think about it. It's as much criticising Joe as it is Kelly, it's purely looking at the strengths and weaknesses in which they win fights. Horses for courses.

A big thing you failed to mention Bhop has never been stopped not even close , if Kelly does it its a big deal especially as he is 160 champ and it will scare the **** out of Joe to the point that I dont believe Joe will fight him if he is impressive against Bhop , Kelly is bad ass youth against these old guys I dont think you can just out finesse him and get a win he is just to hard and aggressive there is no bull**** in Pavlik , I will be the first to admit it if Kelly doesnt shine , but I believe he will .

[Mr. Philadel]

It is a genuine question, I honestly cannot wait to see what the reaction is if Pavlik were to beat Hopkins.

If I were to be totally honest, I don't even have Pavlik winning against Hopkins, Pavlik is too one dimensional for a fighter as smart as Hopkins.

After seeing that Hopkins is able to floor Calzaghe at his current age, I wouldn't be suprised to see Hopkins win by stoppage either.

thats whats up......i like you man!

[garryd]

thats whats up......i like you man!

i said the same thing yesterday,i think the Pavlic fanboys are underestimating on how much of a spoiler Hopkins can be !
I think Pavlic will be to one dimensional for Hopkins ,but in saying that you all ways gotta give Kelly a punchers chance!

[black.ink]

If Pavlik loses he can kiss his match against Calzaghe goodbye. This is a huge risk for Pavlik, even if Arum took the fight as a deserved 'payday' for Kelly. This could prove fatal, i wouldn't be sure of a Pavlik win as Hopkins is still a top contender in the Light-Heavy division.

I hope Kelly is aware of what Hopkins can possess.

Also, if Hopkins wins, Calzaghe has only few options left after RJJ, with Tarver or Dawson being the frontrunners (if he beats Roy).

If Roy loses, he needs to get a fight with Bernard on and call it a career.