Archie Moore vs Joe Calzaghe

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  • duffgun
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    #41
    Originally posted by T-97
    This thread inspired me to go download some Archie Moore fights. For those who have not seen Moore fight;

    Archie Moore Fights
    http://www.**********.com/?d=KW5VYRP6

    This contains:

    Moore - Durelle I
    Moore - Durelle II
    Moore - Maxim
    Moore - Parker
    Patterson - Moore

    I take no credit for this. It was uploaded by Poet, thank him if you download.

    The 2 Durelle fights are well worth downloading, Patterson is probably at his best against Moore, Patterson looked great in that fight. Havent seen the maxim ones yet.

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    • T-97
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      #42
      Originally posted by duffgun
      The 2 Durelle fights are well worth downloading, Patterson is probably at his best against Moore, Patterson looked great in that fight. Havent seen the maxim ones yet.
      I just got them

      I am gunna watch them in a bit

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      • hookoutofhell
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        #43
        duffgun you really think archie moorecould score a late KO over calzaghe - calzghe isn't like cotto he doesn't get tired as the fight goes on, in fact he normally ends all his fights very strongly look at the fights vs hopkins, kessler or lacey and his superior stamina (which comes from running at altitude) sees him through.

        throw in the fact that joe himself has an absolute granite chin, yes he has been down a couple of times but each time it has been due to balance and poor footwork. i have only ever really seen joe hurt a couple of time most recently in the hopkins fight when hopkins threw short sharp right that staggered calzaghe in round 8/9. in fact its joes chin that allows him to overwhelmhis opponents with punches.

        the match up would be ideal and not only was moore power but he was also very good defensively and a savvy operator but i just think calzaghes speed,stamina and adpatability would mean that he would impose his will on the fighter and the fight.
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        • duffgun
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          #44
          Originally posted by hookoutofhell
          duffgun you really think archie moorecould score a late KO over calzaghe - calzghe isn't like cotto he doesn't get tired as the fight goes on, in fact he normally ends all his fights very strongly look at the fights vs hopkins, kessler or lacey and his superior stamina (which comes from running at altitude) sees him through.

          throw in the fact that joe himself has an absolute granite chin, yes he has been down a couple of times but each time it has been due to balance and poor footwork. i have only ever really seen joe hurt a couple of time most recently in the hopkins fight when hopkins threw short sharp right that staggered calzaghe in round 8/9. in fact its joes chin that allows him to overwhelmhis opponents with punches.

          the match up would be ideal and not only was moore power but he was also very good defensively and a savvy operator but i just think calzaghes speed,stamina and adpatability would mean that he would impose his will on the fighter and the fight.
          Yes but Hopkins has not got the power of Moore, Moore was able to knock down heavyweights like Marciano. Moore was also a very big light heavy in fact he had real trouble making the weight and would often fight in non title fights at 180lb+, Clazaghe was in a very close fight with Bhop and Moore is much more technical than Bhop. And as i said before Joe is open to the right hand and Moore throws a dynamite right hand.

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            #45
            Originally posted by duffgun
            Yes but Hopkins has not got the power of Moore, Moore was able to knock down heavyweights like Marciano. Moore was also a very big light heavy in fact he had real trouble making the weight and would often fight in non title fights at 180lb+, Clazaghe was in a very close fight with Bhop and Moore is much more technical than Bhop. And as i said before Joe is open to the right hand and Moore throws a dynamite right hand.
            There is what i was gunna say...pretty much.

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            • duffgun
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              #46
              Originally posted by T-97
              I just got them

              I am gunna watch them in a bit
              ok jst had a quick look at them my download speed at work is quick. The quality of them isnt very good but you get a general idea of Moore from them, might be worth getting a WBVA account.

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                #47
                Originally posted by duffgun
                ok jst had a quick look at them my download speed at work is quick. The quality of them isnt very good but you get a general idea of Moore from them, might be worth getting a WBVA account.
                I had one, I got banned cause I couldn't keep a good ratio at the time. I now have a good ratio at another ******* site though

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                • slicksouthpaw16
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by boxing_prospect
                  This has already been said and done. mercer and Bowe turned pro in the same year, Ray was still an up and comer and didnt advance in the rankings to deserve his shot up until mike was doing time. This is a fact!!!! Also i have told you before, as did other posters here, that Tyson-Holyfield was a done deal, there was a press-conference for this. Mike's loss to Douglas changed the plans, but even when the fight was still a go, he went to trial and was convicted.
                  Mercer stopped Morrison for a title in 1991 and thats the year Tyson was fighting Ruddock and other fighters after his loss to Douglas. Why didn't Tyson fight for a title against this kind of threat? I think we all know that Mercer wouldn't have been blown out so how would Tyson react to being pressure in the later rounds after Tyson has slowed down with a guy that has a granite chin, late knockout power and good stamina? I think the management of Tyson knew about that. These fights could have definitely been made. Mercer was also there after Tyson came out of prison and his name was definitely bigger than the opposition that he was facing.
                  Originally posted by boxing_prospect
                  You did say that walcott's resume ****s on Tyson's. it's in my thread in boxing history forum, im not gonna bother looking for quotes anymore. but you did say it. I would never, ever rank walcott above Tyson. Im not sure anyone will, except you and couple of others.
                  It completely went over your head. When i said ''Walcott, who's resume ****s on Tyson alone'', i meant that the win that Louis had over him was better than any win that Tyson had in his entire career, which is certainly the truth. Who did Tyson beat that was in their prime who was better than Jersey Joe Walcott? Thats my point and Louis was also past his true prime at the time that he did it.

                  Originally posted by boxing_prospect
                  You're one of the few people who share that opinion. Even the worst tyson haters, place him at least in top 20 of greatest heavyweights. But it's pointless for me to change your opinion.
                  Funny becuase i actually have Tyson in my top 10. Like i said, he is definitely a hall famer for the age that he won the title, unifying those titles and for his short title reign. He is just not an ALL TIME GREAT becuase he didn't have the opposition or performed as well against the elite the way these guys did.

                  Originally posted by boxing_prospect
                  what's wrong with me making threads? these are the few tyson threads i've made. And it's true, i beleive Louis's opponents are no better than anyone Tyson has fought. Contrary to your belief, Loiuis did face cans. What's a stand out in his resume is the significance of his victories and his title reign. I dont overate tyson and my threads are not there to influence anyone's opinions. I have stated that Joe Louis should be ranked above Tyson. and i didnt get defensive about you prefering Joe's opponents. I have no problem with that, and i have no problem with it now. you're assuming things. If you go back in that thread, i started to get upset with you when you were making inaccurate statements about Tyson, his ducks, opponents, etc. To me, when you say something about tyson, it dont seem like criticism, it seems more like hate and dislike.
                  It looks like its getting obsessive. ''Tyson in his prime would have knocked out Frazier''? What would have been better and what would have made you seem less of a fan boy is if you just made the thread about a match up between the two and gave your prediction. Almost everyone in that thread disagreed with you as well. You are not even reasonable in those threads either.

                  Also, those statments were not inaccurate either and many people agreed. There were certainly fighters that Tyson's management avoided and there were chances that he could have fought Holyfield just before he went to prison and he didn't. He made excuses why not to fight him.

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                  • KnockoutTheFat
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                    #49
                    Anyone know what age Archie Moore was when he peaked?

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                    • realheavyhands
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                      #50
                      archie moore would kill joe calzaghe.. he doesnt hit hard enough to keep moore off... moore is the best lightheavyweight of all time....

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