Archie Moore vs Joe Calzaghe

[T-97]

Moore has the most amount of KO's in boxing history .... Moore by KO inside 10 IMO

Actually, that is true, i didn't think of that for some reason Yeah I say Moore by late round TKO.

How did i forget that...

[slicksouthpaw16]

I still said it? What is your point in regard to what i said? Someone makes random joke about something, and that's considered serious because they said it, right?

The mistakes you made were genuine errors, and not just in regards to Ali.

You were not joking, you were trying to make a point which was moot becuase both fighters career's are completely different as i have went through above.

1) You've accused Tyson ducking Bowe, Lewis, Foreman, Mercer, Witherspoon, and Holyfield when it's been proven it's not true, by me and other posters. You dont wanna take my posts for truth, then listen to other posters then

I have stated im my previous thread that i have taken into account that Bowe and Lewis were not there at the time. However Holyfield, Foreman and Mercer were all there and more then willing to make these fights happen. Why didn't these fights happen? Tyson fought good champions but none were elite like these guys. Who did Tucker beat to make him a threat to Tyson and not just a paper champion? Frank Bruno is the one fighter that that was the closest to the elite level and a serious threat becuase of his size and punching power and i give Tyson full credit to that win. Tyson took him apart the way he was suppose to and it looks even better for Tyson since Bruno went on to give Lewis life and death until fatiging( which he was known for). Other then him, who did Tyson really beat other than good decent contenders that were not upper echlon heavyweights?

2) You said that Walcotts resume ****s on tyson. I said it before, and i will still say it again, Walcott was an advanced Hall of Fame journeyman who won a title, and went 2-2 with a former light heavyweight. He lost to the 2 greatest fighters of that time, twice each. He didnt dominate the division, but he had his moments, he cant be put up with names like Ali, robinson, and others. More knowledgeable posters like manchine, Yogi, and Scott agreed with me. What silencers claims doesnt mean much to me, he's another tyson hater, with many double standards

This is where that statement went completely over your head. I didn't say that Walcott's resume was better than Tyson's. I said that the win that Louis had over Walcott was better than any of Tyson's wins, which it is. Tyson has never beaten any prime hall of famers. Walcott was one of the many hall of famers that Louis beat and Louis was past his prime when he did it.

3) You claim tyson wasnt great, he became the youngest heavyweight champ and cleaned out the division, pre prison. He fought everyone that was available. When he came out of can, yes, he was matched carefully. But why focus on what he did piost-prison?

There's been a poll on this already, and everyone agreed tyson is a great fighter

Tyson is a hall of famer and he deserves to be that for winning the championship at such a young age and unifying the titles. Other than that, what did he do? He didn't have one of those hall of fame title reign's and he lost to a 42 to 1 underdog which really damaged his credibility and he has never been the same after that loss. He was just not a great fighter IMO and is overrated by many people. I manly look at the opposition that the fighter beat and compare it to the all time great's oppositions. Tyson in his prime just doesn't have that win over a great fighter for me to consider him great unlike Ali, Louis or even Marciano for that matter. He was a very good champion and very exciting, but is just not one of the all time greats.

you're only hatred towards me is because i happen to like tyson and you dont. Regardless of how you wanna look at it, you've been proven wrong before so why downplay it?
you have to face it, that whether you realize it or not, you've made some extreme, and absurd statements towards tyson.

Not at all true. I would never hate anyone becuase of their favorite fighter. I also have nothing against Tyson, but only the people that overrated him. Just look at the threads that you have made. ''Tyson in his prime would have stopped Frazier''? ''Tyson opponents are no worse than Joe Louis'' ect. Its aggitating and nerve racking at the same time. I also liked how you went on the defensive after i said that Louis opponents were better. I actually didn't have any problem with you before you did that.

tyson was truly dominated once in his prime. By douglas, he was still fresh. After prison he lost to holyfied but he wasnt dominated, upp untill the middle it was a closer fight then what you make of it. Lennox beat him pretty bad and dominated him. You underate each and every one of his losses, and overate the fashion in which he lost.

Many people put down the fact that Holfyield in reality was even more shot than Tyson was by the point that thet fought. I didn't see a close fight in either fight. I seen Evander break Tyson down physically and mentally and he was on his way to doing it in the rematch until he lost his mind. When you push Tyson back ans can take his shots, then he is not effective and will be mentally discouraged becuase you would be throwing him out of his game. Bully the bully and Tyson couldn't take it.

Thats another way that he and Lewis differed. Holfield was shot at the time he fought Lewis in the late 90's but still managed to have two close fights with him. Just look at all of the health problems that Evander went through by that point, the wars that he had been in and he was also stopped by Bowe previously. He was damaged goods and unlike Tyson, he proved that he could hang with the greats even though he was past his prime. Tyson was beaten by both Holfield and Lewis decisively.

[Winter]

with Tunney it's understandable. But why pick Calzaghe who's only claim to fame was a win over immensely overatted jeff Lacy and old hopkins, and favor him against one of the greatest fighters in history. Joe's solid win that i give him credit for is Kessler.

I dont hate on calzaghe and think he's a good fighter, but i dont see him in there with a cat like moore.

Boxing Prospect, I have read your words, and you know a lot about boxing. I have never heard of Archie Moore or seen him fight. My friend Lexi and I like Joe Calzaghe. Lexi hasnt been on the forum lately, so I chose Joe Calzaghe because I knew she would want to choose him. I saw Joe Calzaghe fight and he is very good, so I chose him.

[hookoutofhell]

prime calzagh imo would beat nearly every fighter at SMW, at light heavy i can see only a few people maybe getting the better of him.

prime calzaghe would beat moore, todays calzaghe would struggle against moore butif they fought 10 times i think calzaghe would still win 5 maybe 6 times.
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[duffgun]

prime calzagh imo would beat nearly every fighter at SMW, at light heavy i can see only a few people maybe getting the better of him.

prime calzaghe would beat moore, todays calzaghe would struggle against moore butif they fought 10 times i think calzaghe would still win 5 maybe 6 times.

I have seen Calzaghe's fights on nuts recently he seemed very open to the right hand in his "prime" Moore had a monster right hand remember he put Rocky down. Calzaghe wouldn’t be able to beat Moore on the inside as Moore was an excellent inside fighter and on the outside Moore was a great boxer throwing feints to open you up then counter. The best chance Calzaghe would have is to out work Moore with those quick combos but i just feel Moore is to good for him and would get a late KO

[Ryn0]

Moore UD/late TKO. Moore was a successful Heavyweight and dropped Marciano. Calzaghe is too small imo.

[duffgun]

Boxing Prospect, I have read your words, and you know a lot about boxing. I have never heard of Archie Moore or seen him fight. My friend Lexi and I like Joe Calzaghe. Lexi hasnt been on the forum lately, so I chose Joe Calzaghe because I knew she would want to choose him. I saw Joe Calzaghe fight and he is very good, so I chose him.

You have never heard of Archie Moore? well he is considered one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time.

[Boogie Nights]

You were not joking, you were trying to make a point which was moot becuase both fighters career's are completely different as i have went through above. Obviously i was making a point in accordance to your logic.


I have stated im my previous thread that i have taken into account that Bowe and Lewis were not there at the time. However Holyfield, Foreman and Mercer were all there and more then willing to make these fights happen. Why didn't these fights happen? Tyson fought good champions but none were elite like these guys. Who did Tucker beat to make him a threat to Tyson and not just a paper champion? Frank Bruno is the one fighter that that was the closest to the elite level and a serious threat becuase of his size and punching power and i give Tyson full credit to that win. Tyson took him apart the way he was suppose to and it looks even better for Tyson since Bruno went on to give Lewis life and death until fatiging( which he was known for). Other then him, who did Tyson really beat other than good decent contenders that were not upper echlon heavyweights? This has already been said and done. mercer and Bowe turned pro in the same year, Ray was still an up and comer and didnt advance in the rankings to deserve his shot up until mike was doing time. This is a fact!!!! Also i have told you before, as did other posters here, that Tyson-Holyfield was a done deal, there was a press-conference for this. Mike's loss to Douglas changed the plans, but even when the fight was still a go, he went to trial and was convicted.


This is where that statement went completely over your head. I didn't say that Walcott's resume was better than Tyson's. I said that the win that Louis had over Walcott was better than any of Tyson's wins, which it is. Tyson has never beaten any prime hall of famers. Walcott was one of the many hall of famers that Louis beat and Louis was past his prime when he did it. You did say that walcott's resume ****s on Tyson's. it's in my thread in boxing history forum, im not gonna bother looking for quotes anymore. but you did say it. I would never, ever rank walcott above Tyson. Im not sure anyone will, except you and couple of others.


Tyson is a hall of famer and he deserves to be that for winning the championship at such a young age and unifying the titles. Other than that, what did he do? He didn't have one of those hall of fame title reign's and he lost to a 42 to 1 underdog which really damaged his credibility and he has never been the same after that loss. He was just not a great fighter IMO and is overrated by many people. I manly look at the opposition that the fighter beat and compare it to the all time great's oppositions. Tyson in his prime just doesn't have that win over a great fighter for me to consider him great unlike Ali, Louis or even Marciano for that matter. He was a very good champion and very exciting, but is just not one of the all time greats. You're one of the few people who share that opinion. Even the worst tyson haters, place him at least in top 20 of greatest heavyweights. But it's pointless for me to change your opinion.


Not at all true. I would never hate anyone becuase of their favorite fighter. I also have nothing against Tyson, but only the people that overrated him. Just look at the threads that you have made. ''Tyson in his prime would have stopped Frazier''? ''Tyson opponents are no worse than Joe Louis'' ect. Its aggitating and nerve racking at the same time. I also liked how you went on the defensive after i said that Louis opponents were better. I actually didn't have any problem with you before you did that. what's wrong with me making threads? these are the few tyson threads i've made. And it's true, i beleive Louis's opponents are no better than anyone Tyson has fought. Contrary to your belief, Loiuis did face cans. What's a stand out in his resume is the significance of his victories and his title reign. I dont overate tyson and my threads are not there to influence anyone's opinions. I have stated that Joe Louis should be ranked above Tyson. and i didnt get defensive about you prefering Joe's opponents. I have no problem with that, and i have no problem with it now. you're assuming things. If you go back in that thread, i started to get upset with you when you were making inaccurate statements about Tyson, his ducks, opponents, etc. To me, when you say something about tyson, it dont seem like criticism, it seems more like hate and dislike.

Many people put down the fact that Holfyield in reality was even more shot than Tyson was by the point that thet fought. I didn't see a close fight in either fight. I seen Evander break Tyson down physically and mentally and he was on his way to doing it in the rematch until he lost his mind. When you push Tyson back ans can take his shots, then he is not effective and will be mentally discouraged becuase you would be throwing him out of his game. Bully the bully and Tyson couldn't take it. That's your belief and opinion again. tyson was more shot than holyfield. Evander didnt sit out 4 years of his prime years not fighting. After the Tyson fight, Evander moved to bigger and better things, while Tyson's career went downhill, and instead of advancing he deteriotated.

Thats another way that he and Lewis differed. Holfield was shot at the time he fought Lewis in the late 90's but still managed to have two close fights with him. Just look at all of the health problems that Evander went through by that point, the wars that he had been in and he was also stopped by Bowe previously. He was damaged goods and unlike Tyson, he proved that he could hang with the greats even though he was past his prime. Tyson was beaten by both Holfield and Lewis decisively.

Yeah mike was beaten by holyfield after prison. By the time Lewis got to tyson, even my grandma could have beaten Mike

[T-97]

You have never heard of Archie Moore? well he is considered one of the best Light Heavyweights of all time.

This thread inspired me to go download some Archie Moore fights. For those who have not seen Moore fight;

Archie Moore Fights
http://www.**********.com/?d=KW5VYRP6

This contains:

Moore - Durelle I
Moore - Durelle II
Moore - Maxim
Moore - Parker
Patterson - Moore

I take no credit for this. It was uploaded by Poet, thank him if you download.

[Boogie Nights]

Boxing Prospect, I have read your words, and you know a lot about boxing. I have never heard of Archie Moore or seen him fight. My friend Lexi and I like Joe Calzaghe. Lexi hasnt been on the forum lately, so I chose Joe Calzaghe because I knew she would want to choose him. I saw Joe Calzaghe fight and he is very good, so I chose him.

that's fine, spasibo for green k, ill give you some as soon as i can.