Floyd Mayweather vs Willie Pep @ 130. Who wins and WHY?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

that fool should be banned he is a sick ****er
He is similar to a child ******er he takes advantage of old senile women.Because he is insecure in himself and cannot ask a sexy young woman out cause he is intimidated.
typical sexual predator characteristic.

Well, when you are as fat and ugly and inarticulate as I am, you try to stay away from women.

I'm sure you understand.

[Silencers]

Pep was great on defense and was very good on offense, it would probably be a technical chessmatch, styles make fights and their styles would make for a close fight.

[sparked_85]

as a fantasy match up doesn't this defeat the purpose?

It would be one of the worst fights ever. Floyd would win because he would have to be the aggressor. He would have to.

[them_apples]

how would an oldschool fighter like Pep win against a modern physical marvel like Mayweather, this thread is a joke.

Pep's sparring videos look amateur..he would have been good for his day but this matchup is totally one sided IMO.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

how would an oldschool fighter like Pep win against a modern physical marvel like Mayweather, this thread is a joke.

Pep's sparring videos look amateur..he would have been good for his day but this matchup is totally one sided IMO.

These guys don't understand the physical and athletic difference between a Pep and a Mayweather.

[El Dominicano]

I hope you realize that by the time Pep fought Sandler, Willie had been in an almost life-ending plane accident. The fact that he would come back from that to have any career at all is a testament to his greatness. Sandy was very tall for a FW (taller than Floyd) and had over 100 KOs in 144 wins. He had Pep's number, but he didn't fight the best Pep.

Great matchup with Floyd and a prime Pep. I'd say Pep by close decision.

Sadler is the dirtiest fighter ever. Mayweather would easily beat him weather its a dirty fight or a clean one

[them_apples]

This is so ******..how can people watch peps footage and actually think he has a chance..

[BennyST]

What happens when you match a strong 130er with a 126er?

Do you even know your history?

WITHOUT LOOKING AT BOXREC... name two other guys that Pep beat.

I won't bother with that insinuation Dios, whatever it is meant to mean. I'll just stick on topic.

You know, Mayweather is a great fighter. No one can deny that. However, if you think he hunts down Willie Pep and knocks him out then you obviously know a lot more than everyone else does about Mayweather's abilities against one of the slickest defensive fighters of all time, because I sure as hell have not seen Mayweather in with someone who was even a great boxer, let alone one of the most brilliant defensive masterminds of all time. If this becomes a fight in which Mayweather has to hunt down Pep, as you think it would, then that automatically gives Pep the opportunity to out-box Mayweather. It also means that Mayweather will be open to counters if he is having to take chances on offense and open up. If he is to hunt down Pep, it also means that it makes it easier for Pep to out-box him. I don't really think that is how the fight would go though.

Mayweather did not hunt down anyone at 130. Margarito hunts opponents down. Mayweather waits and counter punches. He had power at 130 which enabled him to hurt opponents and punch more offensively, but, who did you see him in with at 130 that makes you think he could handle anyone that was even more elusive than he is and had a better, craftier jab which he used to perfection throughout a fight?

When has he ever had to even search for a fighter? Most of the fighters he has beaten, and basically all of the good fighters he has fought have been straight up come forward fighters in which he could fight his own fight comfortably, which was to wait for them to come to him and make the mistakes of a usual brawling type fighter. You overrate him and his opposition at 130.

The thing is, no one can say how a fight with a guy like Pep would go. Mayweather has never faced anyone even remotely like Pep, so you have no idea how he would handle it. The only fighter which he has faced that had as good skills as he did was Judah who beat him until his usual weak mind came into the fight and lost it for him. Apart from that he has not faced one great, slick boxer. Actually, he has not faced one truly great opponent. Not one, and certainly not one that had skills that would match and even surpass his own.

I know you really like Mayweather, but, you do have to try and look at the way a fight with these guys would go without simply thinking he is unbeatable. Whereas you think it would be an 'easy' fight in which he would hunt him down and knock him out, I actually try to look at it properly. It would be a very hard fight for both guys. Not in the sense of physically brutal, but, hard for both guys to win. It's wrong to think that Mayweather would hunt him down because that's just not how he fights.

Mayweather is very fast, strong and naturally much bigger. He is also very hard to hit like Pep. He was easier to hit at 130 because, as you yourself mentioned, he was more willing to stand in, trade and fight. Pep wasn't. That makes the fight easier for Pep as it means he could use his jab to great use. Mayweather has a tendency to stand right in front of opponents because of his inside defense and he knows that to do so gives him more opportunity to counter whereas Pep didn't and he would only fight from angles off that jab. That suggests to me it would be harder for Mayweather to land than it would be for Pep as Pep would never come to Mayweather, but would box off his jab and be constantly moving in and out without being there for Mayweather to get his needed counter opportunities.

I don't see this as some definite win for Pep. Not at all. The only thing I do know is that Mayweather has not faced someone with the skills, jab, elusiveness as well as toughness as Pep. Whereas we do know that Pep has faced guys who are as tough and much rougher and dirtier than Mayweather and was able to beat them so that to me means he would certainly not get KO'd.

The thing is Pep only had any trouble with very rough, skilled fighters who had great stamina and were much bigger. That is the opposite of Mayweather apart from the fact that he is naturally bigger and has great stamina. He is not a skilled, relentless, rough-housing pressure fighter and if it came down to a battle of counter punching and boxing, which it would, I just see Pep being able to out-box to Mayweather with the use of his better jab, movement and his great ability to not get caught with any counters.

We'll never, ever really know though will we?

[Ascended]

for the lazy lunatics who watched highlights only, like all lazy followers do only, anybody who ever said pep was as great or would win is a lunatic, this is how he fought, and he looked like a novice compared to amateurs in the 70s-90s
The average 70s-90s amateur let alone pro would put him in the 1st and very fast

look how much more advanced Floyd is in amateur angles/tech/fluidity/defense/timing

https://********/I5HljjHCs_w?si=RI-m3CnqIonO2zdv Floyd amateur

https://********/ISK6HY2SHkU?si=w0LXQcOJfFmtweqC willie in his young years

https://********/MJoB6unNz7I?si=mouu8tzJ64yy5JsX one of wills best matches on vid,still looks like a novice compared to amateur floyd