how can Joe Calzaghe achieve P4P 1 status before retiring

[abadger]

Roy Jones UD which even he admits was a comprehensive loss.

Taylor by SD then UD.

Calzaghe by SD which most saw as UD.



None were tremendously huge but often aren't. But I'd say they were comprehensive, clear wins.

Jones was a clear win, and while I couldn't justify giving Hopkins the verdict in either the Taylor or Calzaghe fights I can certainly see why some think they were a bit closer than they actually were.

[Kris Silver]

Jones was a clear win, and while I couldn't justify giving Hopkins the verdict in either the Taylor or Calzaghe fights I can certainly see why some think they were a bit closer than they actually were.

Oh totally. I mean, I respect Hops as a fighter, he's great no doubt. But he's relied on his awkward customer side a little to avoid significant losses, that has to be said. It takes two too box and fight.

I consider Roys UD his most comprehensive loss, not sure about next as to Calz or Taylor. Probs Calz based on everything style wise being against him in that fight. But those losses are pretty clear and significant, especially over such a defensive fighter.

Beating Hopkins is akin to overcoming a 9-1-1 formation in football. It's frigging difficult scoring many goals when there's 9 defenders and a goalie stood in the goal.

[abadger]

Oh totally. I mean, I respect Hops as a fighter, he's great no doubt. But he's relied on his awkward customer side a little to avoid significant losses, that has to be said. It takes two too box and fight.

I consider Roys UD his most comprehensive loss, not sure about next as to Calz or Taylor. Probs Calz based on everything style wise being against him in that fight. But those losses are pretty clear and significant, especially over such a defensive fighter.

Beating Hopkins is akin to overcoming a 9-1-1 formation in football. It's frigging difficult scoring many goals when there's 9 defenders and a goalie stood in the goal.

Nice. I may use that at some point.

[MELLY-MEL...]

beat pavlik, dawson/tarver winner, and i still think he may be short

[S.G.]

he can't.

because he's just not the #1 best pound for pound fighter around right now. simple as that.

[Pullcounter]

beat pavlik, dawson/tarver winner, and i still think he may be short

what he said plus pacquiao loses to a 135 lber.

[Kris Silver]

Nice. I may use that at some point.

Go for it my man...

As for Calzaghe reaching p4p #1, well realistically he's been fortunate with Mayweather retiring and god know for how long that'll be for. I could see him getting preferential rating on his return despite not prooving he's performing as well.

In addition, I have to say Pac is one of the most deserving p4p #1's around infact I hardly feel Mayweather deserved it before in some respects. If Pac beat Hatton, I just can't see Joe making it to p4p #1. He'd have to beat Roy and Pavlik by a fair margin and possibly one more.

If Pac lost a fight and Joe beat Roy and Pavlik, I think it really would be a case for p4p #1, infact imo he probably would be if that happened. Very tight hypothetical s tho so not gona get wrapped up in it too much.

[IMDAZED]

Calzaghe is the light heavyweight champ. There are plenty of light heavyweight contenders to fight. The Tarver/Dawson winner or Glen Johnson. The Pavlik fight is just for show. He'll beat them, fairly easily at that. If Calzaghe wants to cement his legacy, he'll aim for one of those light heavyweights.

[abadger]

Calzaghe is the light heavyweight champ. There are plenty of light heavyweight contenders to fight. The Tarver/Dawson winner or Glen Johnson. The Pavlik fight is just for show. He'll beat them, fairly easily at that. If Calzaghe wants to cement his legacy, he'll aim for one of those light heavyweights.

If I'm honest I think Calzaghe is on the pre-retirement money-go-round now. I would imagine he feels his legacy is secure. Hopefully someone will offer him millions to take on Tarver/ Dawson. But will they?

[IMDAZED]

If I'm honest I think Calzaghe is on the pre-retirement money-go-round now. I would imagine he feels his legacy is secure. Hopefully someone will offer him millions to take on Tarver/ Dawson. But will they?

Of course he gets millions for either fighter - he's at the point where he gets millions regardless.

And his legacy is secure. He's a Hall of Famer. But I think he wanted to be mentioned with the Hopkins, Jones' of his time...which is why I don't think he wants to retire yet. More than anyone, he knows he hasn't reached that plateau.