Observation :

[scap]

I love and respect the iceman as much as anyone but John the money that was spent on cotto was spent before the fight...many who had money on him had a real bad fealling after the 6th or 7th that there man was in trouble...


Money was not won adn lost during the fight (sure you had a few fight pools) it was lost before the fight...I had over 70 people at my home in Seattle for the fight and many had money on both men...point is the money was bet before the fight and it was not something anyone could take back after Cotto's demeanor clearly change at the halfway point.

your a stud Ice but sometimes you get a little to deep...my wife has told me similar stories of her former boyfriends.

[LOLORSKATES]

co-signed!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm one of those guys who think that giving any negative thought to something only hurts your cause. Cotto was like a guy getting beat up by the waves at a beach, sooner or later his head is going to go under the water. Margarito's pressure suffocated Cotto down the stretch.

[-Antonio-]

If I was watching this fight live, I would have thought the same too. I didnt really see the demeanor change until the 6th round.

Do you agree that he wasted too much energy on foot movement, Ice?

[Fenom]

The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!"

The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto.

One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own.

True that........

[RodBarker]

I love and respect the iceman as much as anyone but John the money that was spent on cotto was spent before the fight...many who had money on him had a real bad fealling after the 6th or 7th that there man was in trouble...


Money was not won adn lost during the fight (sure you had a few fight pools) it was lost before the fight...I had over 70 people at my home in Seattle for the fight and many had money on both men...point is the money was bet before the fight and it was not something anyone could take back after Cotto's demeanor clearly change at the halfway point.

your a stud Ice but sometimes you get a little to deep...my wife has told me similar stories of her former boyfriends.

I dont think John was getting deep , if you are around fighters a lot you learn to read expression , the more you know an individual the more you can read from his demeanor and the look in his eye , these things can be very subtle but they are there and John saw the look of concern in Cotto very early , thats not deep just observant and being a student of the fight game .

[βetamax]

Being walked down like that is no joke. I've sparred with a trainer at my gym who basically played the role of Margarito and I couldn't believe how exhausted I got just from a few rounds. It's mentally exhausting.

Anyway, I was pulling for Cotto but I was definitely loosing confidence as the fight went on toward the middle rounds even though he was clearly winning and instead was just hoping he'd make it to the end and get a decision.

[BattlingNelson]

The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!"

The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto.

One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own.

Thanks for posting an 'insiders' thoughts.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Scap, real quick because I have to head out..I will post more later but boxing in that ring IS deep to me...the insights (as i see them) are deep....if you know what you are looking for and at it IS deep.....thats what I love about the game.... maybe you watch and see one thing and I see another... I look at a painting and see sqiggly lines while someone else sees really deep beauty...its all in the eye of the beholder. As for the betting.... where I was at bets were made in the second round on Cotto....guys took the bets..one guy took the bet based solely on what I told him after the first, that being that Cotto is winning the battles but Margo will eventually win the war.

[moofo]

A good tip to watching a fight.
Turn off the sound and commentary.

[RightHandLead]

I noticed the same thing, though not as early as you did John. My girlfriend watched the fight with me and she's a huge Cotto fan, absolutely loves the guy's style. But she's new to the sport, she only just started watching boxing when Cotto fought Quintana. So basically Cotto got her into the sport, and I've been making her watch other fights since.

Anyway, before the fight came on we were talking about it and she was talking a lot of **** about Margarito, someone who she'd only seen fight once (Cintron rematch). I was trying to tell her about his relentless pressure and activity but she obviously underestimated him.

I thought Cotto was doing great in the first 5 rounds, but I seen a change in his demeanor in the 6th. Something about th elook on his face, he looked like he wasn't comfortable with how things were going, while Margarito looked like he was just now starting the fight.

Great insight.