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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    #1

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    The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!"

    The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto.

    One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own.
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    #2
    Regarding demeanor, I thought the center ring instructions were awesome. Cotto hopping up and down like a madman had me concerned for a minute. I couldn't get over how hyped he was. Tony on the other hand, stone faced, not even concerned about Cotto. It had me worried for minute, until the second round and you could just see that Cotto felt Tonys power.

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    • Silencers
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      #3
      I agree with your post, people around me were saying Cotto was going to win easy by the 5th round, I told them not to celebrate just yet because I could see Margarito was closing that gap and Cotto was slowing down.

      Just wondering Iceman, what did you think of the stoppage? Did you think Cotto quit?

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      • Queen_Leia
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        #4
        Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
        The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!"

        The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto.

        One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own.
        Well put and I dislike Marg too...do u c Marg doing this with Money May?

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        • kadyo's
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          #5
          Good K for the insight john, I know what to look for next time. I was rooting for miguel but wasn't cheering when he was connecting those shots. I was looking at how margo was reacting and observed that it seems like those cotto power shots doesn't seems to affect him at all. I was also observing margo's demeanor, i say that one of a winner.

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          • LOLORSKATES
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            #6
            I believe in not giving energy to things. I like Cotto and was pulling for him, but I could see what I didn't want to see. I saw Margarito putting money in the bank downstairs and Cotto wasn't able to. Cotto was looking for space and room to breathe and Margarito wasn't giving it to him. Everytime Cotto finished punching Margarito was right there making work when he didn't want to. Margarito fought a well thought out, determined fight.

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            • STEELHEAD
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              #7
              Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
              The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!"

              The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto.

              One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own.
              thats great.

              the sixth round was when i seen cottos demeanor change .
              but man if you were listening to lampley you would of thought cotto ruled.
              like we were watching different fights.

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              • kadyo's
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                #8
                Originally posted by Silencers
                I agree with your post, people around me were saying Cotto was going to win easy by the 5th round, I told them not to celebrate just yet because I could see Margarito was closing that gap and Cotto was slowing down.

                Just wondering Iceman, what did you think of the stoppage? Did you think Cotto quit?
                I was rooting for cotoo but never once during the fight that it would be an easy win and yes he was slowing down while margo seems to be getting stronger. I thought cotto either quit because he down on his knee even before margo connect a shot or he was acknowledging a KD and maybe thinking he can use some rest and fight back again but he somehow agreed with his corner who decided to throw the towel. Note that cotto did not protest to his corner.

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                • IMDAZED
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
                  The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!"

                  The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto.

                  One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own.
                  Excellent insight. Specifically, what did you see in Cotto's outward demeanor?

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                  • MELLY-MEL...
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Erbad
                    I believe in not giving energy to things. I like Cotto and was pulling for him, but I could see what I didn't want to see. I saw Margarito putting money in the bank downstairs and Cotto wasn't able to. Cotto was looking for space and room to breathe and Margarito wasn't giving it to him. Everytime Cotto finished punching Margarito was right there making work when he didn't want to. Margarito fought a well thought out, determined fight.
                    co-signed!!!!!!!!!!!!

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