Prime Tito vs. Margarito

[Fenom]

I dont think Tito was a better boxer than Cotto at all. Cotto is an excellent boxer, but not to the point in which he can lay on the ropes and take a breather.

Also, Cotto survived 11 rounds, but was certainly not effective for 11 rounds.

So early knockout and decision for Titi both seem very unlikely to me. Late knockout for either is an outcome I can envision.

True dat.....i still havent seen the Cotto vs Marg fight so maybe Cotto improved with his boxing skills.

but from the boxing i have seen him do, i still think Trinidad was a better boxer....i've never seen Tito take anywhere near the punishment i've seen Cotto take a times (Zab, Torres, Chop Chop [one punch i know], Margarito)

i mean we've seen him hurt on multiple occasions but i dont ever remember seeing Tito hurt.....EVER

[eazy_mas]

Watch from 7:50 onward. Listen to the sound of those punches.

damn you could heard the shots.

It the problem like 3 or 4 punchs with a thunderous sound.

props for Joppy he survived the 4 round and then standing toe2toe against Tito.

[Live Dog]

Again I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Earlier the guy asked if you were saying Cotto had as much power as Tito.

You said no, but your point was that Marg walked past Cotto's best shots.

WTF? What am I missing here? You're clearly comparing Tito's power to Cotto.

Now you are saying Cotto is a better boxer than Tito in his prime. Okay I'll give you that, by how much I'm not sure since I don't think Tito was a bad boxer IN HIS PRIME. But I'm saying that Tito's massive power differential would make up for that difference by far.

I'm saying that Tito's punching power was unreal and well beyond most welterweights in history.

That's my point. What's your point?

As I've stated earlier, my point was that Cotto is a powerful puncher and Margarito walked through every one of them. Read next time.

[El Dominicano]

definitely not china, definitely not great. I know that you are pointing at his getting up and start walking down the other dude again. But it was not just balance. His knees were buckled a number of times.

Anyway my take on this, is that even if he could take it better than Cotto, he would eat more leather than Cotto, because Cotto boxes better.

Wmute, I hope you know this. Everytime Tito got dropped it was by counters. When Tito (One of the hardest punchers at 147 ever) throws a hard left or right hook and gets counterd, your own power gets used against you. Thats too much power to get hit with

[eazy_mas]

True dat.....i still havent seen the Cotto vs Marg fight so maybe Cotto improved with his boxing skills.

but from the boxing i have seen him do, i still think Trinidad was a better boxer....i've never seen Tito take anywhere near the punishment i've seen Cotto take a times (Zab, Torres, Chop Chop [one punch i know], Margarito)

i mean we've seen him hurt on multiple occasions but i dont ever remember seeing Tito hurt.....EVER

Hopkins and Vargas fight.

But Hopkins was more of a wear down exhaustion

[bsrizpac]

definitely not china, definitely not great. I know that you are pointing at his getting up and start walking down the other dude again. But it was not just balance. His knees were buckled a number of times.

Anyway my take on this, is that even if he could take it better than Cotto, he would eat more leather than Cotto, because Cotto boxes better.

I do think his balance was extremely bad. Roy Jones pointed this out during the middleweight tournament (road to Hopkins) that Tito put 75 percent of his weight on his front foot leaving him open to tons of counters.

George Foreman also pointed this out in a weird assclownish way by saying that Tito had a stance like a "track running" in the ready position calling it "on the mark".

Point being that a lot of his knockdowns came from that stance.

Note: I am not saying he had a cast iron chin. Just a good one.

[damoreno]

tito's chin was great.

don't talk if you don't know.

Trinidad had is ass on the ground to much for you to say he had a great chin. You can say he was off balance, which a lot of the time he was. But Vargas Clearly dropped his ass and hurt him and so did hopkins. I personally don't think Margarito would've ko'd him with a head shot. He would've beaten the fight out of him much like he did Cotto.

[bsrizpac]

Hopkins and Vargas fight.

But Hopkins was more of a wear down exhaustion

That was also at Middlweight, a weight where Margs would be blasted into dust.

And the second fight, he was fat and shot.

[bsrizpac]

As I've stated earlier, my point was that Cotto is a powerful puncher and Margarito walked through every one of them. Read next time.

I did read next time.

Don't be an assclown. Pay attention.

What point is to bring up that Cotto is a powerful puncher and that Margs walked through his shots....in the context of a Marg/Tito discussion and then deny that you are comparing Tito and Cotto's power?

[eazy_mas]

Wmute, I hope you know this. Everytime Tito got dropped it was by counters. When Tito (One of the hardest punchers at 147 ever) throws a hard left or right hook and gets counterd, your own power gets used against you.

definitely many KOs comes from a counter.


and it even comes in a position where the opponents dont see it coming.


example Nanito vs Vick Darchinyan, Abarham Aruther vs Khoen, Boom Boom vs DeLeon and Sod vs DeLeon

Sod and DeLeon went for 12 rounds in a competitve first fight the second DeLeon KOed Sod with a counter both put full power on there lefts. One connected the other didnt.