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  • #51
    Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO View Post
    Miguel Cotto made a number of mistakes (IMHO). As I was watching the fight, I was observing these.

    1) Where was the bodywork? Miguel went almost exclusively upstairs. While he was snapping Tony's head, he failed to balance his attack by employing jabs to the stomach to disrupt Tony, and left hooks to the body to soften TM up.

    2) Too much movement. FMJ is often called a "runner". I have watched every FMJ fight since he was a prospect. I have NEVER seen him run as much as Miguel did. While some (SOME!) of that movement was warranted, Migs wasted GOBS of energy with the 10K that he ran in the ring. Where was the clinching? Clinching eats up time, and gives you a breather. Why didn't he ever tie Tony up and walk him back? If you look at fights like FMJ/hatton, or Oscar/Vargas, they tied their man up, or used smart breaks to take some of the steam off. You can't RUN for 12 rounds. Running backwards and changing directions uses more energy than the guy who is just walking forward. Imagine if Tony had even the slightest inkling on how to cut off a ring.

    3) Quitto kept it on the perimeter. Who has done well against Tony? Clottey? Yes. Williams? Surely. Where were those fights fought? Largely in the center of the ring. Up close. Who has done really poorly against TM? Golden. Cintron. and now Quito. Where did they all get knocked out? against the ropes. You can't stay at arms length vs a tall man. Sugar Ray Leonard found that out vs Hearns, and that is why he came inside and became the ****er. Quitto's mistake is that he was ending up on the powerful part of Tony's punches, instead of stepping inside and smothering that power. He allowed Margie to have full leverage. Never tied him up with elbows, forearms, holding, etc.

    4) One pace. Think about the fight. You almost can't distinguish one round from the next. The fight was going by so fast for two reasons: a) it was a very good fight. But b) because it was the same **** happening over and over. Do you remember when Floyd had ricky hurt at the end of round 8? What did he do in round 9? Move in for the kill? No. He jabbed Ricky silly. Changed the pace. Kept the guy off balance. Boxing is about adjustments. Miguel just kept circling and countering, and Tony kept getting closer and closer. Against Shane, Miguel made the late-round adjustment to backpedal and box. Against Tony, he tried that tactic for the WHOLE FIGHT. This sounds strange to say, but the fight I was reminded of mostly was Taylor-Chavez.

    5) "Don't try this at home". There are guys who can sit on the ropes and defend and who feel very comfortable there. They can stay on the ropes and avoid leather all night. Those guys have names like Whitaker and Mayweather. Miguel, you are a terrific fighter. But that isn't your game. You are not Pea. And you are not Floyd. When you went to the ropes, you basically sat there and countered....but you ate leather.

    6)Don't read your own press. Everybody was saying that the fight turned into the fight they expected. That was good for Tony, and bad for Miguel. Tony is largely a one-trick pony. Miguelhas the more comprehensive skills package. I believe that Quitto pretty much bought in to all the experts opinions. I'm not saying that he relied on that. But he certainly felt that his superior boxing (that earned the early 3:1 odds) was enough to win.


    That is the Dios viewpoint. I may become smarter after breakfast. Later.
    Good post Dios. I liked the (Don't try this at home part) nice

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    • #52
      Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO View Post
      Miguel Cotto made a number of mistakes (IMHO). As I was watching the fight, I was observing these.

      1) Where was the bodywork? Miguel went almost exclusively upstairs. While he was snapping Tony's head, he failed to balance his attack by employing jabs to the stomach to disrupt Tony, and left hooks to the body to soften TM up.

      2) Too much movement. FMJ is often called a "runner". I have watched every FMJ fight since he was a prospect. I have NEVER seen him run as much as Miguel did. While some (SOME!) of that movement was warranted, Migs wasted GOBS of energy with the 10K that he ran in the ring. Where was the clinching? Clinching eats up time, and gives you a breather. Why didn't he ever tie Tony up and walk him back? If you look at fights like FMJ/hatton, or Oscar/Vargas, they tied their man up, or used smart breaks to take some of the steam off. You can't RUN for 12 rounds. Running backwards and changing directions uses more energy than the guy who is just walking forward. Imagine if Tony had even the slightest inkling on how to cut off a ring.

      3) Quitto kept it on the perimeter. Who has done well against Tony? Clottey? Yes. Williams? Surely. Where were those fights fought? Largely in the center of the ring. Up close. Who has done really poorly against TM? Golden. Cintron. and now Quito. Where did they all get knocked out? against the ropes. You can't stay at arms length vs a tall man. Sugar Ray Leonard found that out vs Hearns, and that is why he came inside and became the ****er. Quitto's mistake is that he was ending up on the powerful part of Tony's punches, instead of stepping inside and smothering that power. He allowed Margie to have full leverage. Never tied him up with elbows, forearms, holding, etc.

      4) One pace. Think about the fight. You almost can't distinguish one round from the next. The fight was going by so fast for two reasons: a) it was a very good fight. But b) because it was the same **** happening over and over. Do you remember when Floyd had ricky hurt at the end of round 8? What did he do in round 9? Move in for the kill? No. He jabbed Ricky silly. Changed the pace. Kept the guy off balance. Boxing is about adjustments. Miguel just kept circling and countering, and Tony kept getting closer and closer. Against Shane, Miguel made the late-round adjustment to backpedal and box. Against Tony, he tried that tactic for the WHOLE FIGHT. This sounds strange to say, but the fight I was reminded of mostly was Taylor-Chavez.

      5) "Don't try this at home". There are guys who can sit on the ropes and defend and who feel very comfortable there. They can stay on the ropes and avoid leather all night. Those guys have names like Whitaker and Mayweather. Miguel, you are a terrific fighter. But that isn't your game. You are not Pea. And you are not Floyd. When you went to the ropes, you basically sat there and countered....but you ate leather.

      6)Don't read your own press. Everybody was saying that the fight turned into the fight they expected. That was good for Tony, and bad for Miguel. Tony is largely a one-trick pony. Miguelhas the more comprehensive skills package. I believe that Quitto pretty much bought in to all the experts opinions. I'm not saying that he relied on that. But he certainly felt that his superior boxing (that earned the early 3:1 odds) was enough to win.


      That is the Dios viewpoint. I may become smarter after breakfast. Later.

      Dude you did not have to go into such detail. Cotto BROKE DOWN MENTALLLY! That is the reason for his loss. YOu could tell when he walked back to the locker. HE COULD NOT HURT MARG AND GOT FRUSTRATED HIMSELF! Very easy, nothing else. He fought a flawless fight, with the clearer shots belonging to him. CONGRATULATIONS MARG!

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      • #53
        Agreed on everything, especially the movement. He wasted so much energy using unnecesary movement. He was having success slipping punches and landing first on the inside. I dont understand why he couldnt have just pivoted more. You can stay away from your opponent without moving to the other side of the ring to regroup. It's something he's always done, and I knew he'd lose the fight if he did it in this one. I thought he'd stay in the center of the ring more and beat Marg to the punch. In the rematch he has to do some clinching.

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        • #54
          I dont wanna see DLH anymore!!!!!He is doned!!!I think Margarito would have a 55 percent chance of beating him!!

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          • #55
            Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO View Post
            Other than Williams, is Oscar Delahoya the toughest fight for Antonio Margarito?
            Margarito vs DLH

            A fighter with alot of stamina/great chin/good body puncher vs someone with bad stamina. It won't go well. DLH doesn't have the footwork he had against Tito. If he did I'd pick DLH any day.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO View Post
              Other than Williams, is Oscar Delahoya the toughest fight for Antonio Margarito?
              I'll say this much. There's no way in hell Oscar wins a decision. Because he cant do as well as Cotto did early at this stage in his career. He'd have to keep up a pace he hasn't had to keep since the first Mosley fight.

              Oscar's best shot is his left hook. He's got to land it clean and often. Unlike Cotto's left, that's not a punch Marg can walk through all night. We've seen Oscar rock Middleweights with that punch. He'd have to knock him out.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO View Post
                Name another guy who gives Tony a tougher go than Oscar. A guy at 147/154.
                Sugar Shane Mosley.

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                • #58
                  I dont think Cotto did anything wrong
                  it was all about Marg doing right....

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                  • #59
                    You make many good points as usual.

                    But you don't have an agenda here do you? Because lol we had to read before the fight about how Tony was going to catch a beating.



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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO View Post
                      Miguel Cotto made a number of mistakes (IMHO). As I was watching the fight, I was observing these.

                      1) Where was the bodywork? Miguel went almost exclusively upstairs. While he was snapping Tony's head, he failed to balance his attack by employing jabs to the stomach to disrupt Tony, and left hooks to the body to soften TM up.

                      2) Too much movement. FMJ is often called a "runner". I have watched every FMJ fight since he was a prospect. I have NEVER seen him run as much as Miguel did. While some (SOME!) of that movement was warranted, Migs wasted GOBS of energy with the 10K that he ran in the ring. Where was the clinching? Clinching eats up time, and gives you a breather. Why didn't he ever tie Tony up and walk him back? If you look at fights like FMJ/hatton, or Oscar/Vargas, they tied their man up, or used smart breaks to take some of the steam off. You can't RUN for 12 rounds. Running backwards and changing directions uses more energy than the guy who is just walking forward. Imagine if Tony had even the slightest inkling on how to cut off a ring.

                      3) Quitto kept it on the perimeter. Who has done well against Tony? Clottey? Yes. Williams? Surely. Where were those fights fought? Largely in the center of the ring. Up close. Who has done really poorly against TM? Golden. Cintron. and now Quito. Where did they all get knocked out? against the ropes. You can't stay at arms length vs a tall man. Sugar Ray Leonard found that out vs Hearns, and that is why he came inside and became the ****er. Quitto's mistake is that he was ending up on the powerful part of Tony's punches, instead of stepping inside and smothering that power. He allowed Margie to have full leverage. Never tied him up with elbows, forearms, holding, etc.

                      4) One pace. Think about the fight. You almost can't distinguish one round from the next. The fight was going by so fast for two reasons: a) it was a very good fight. But b) because it was the same **** happening over and over. Do you remember when Floyd had ricky hurt at the end of round 8? What did he do in round 9? Move in for the kill? No. He jabbed Ricky silly. Changed the pace. Kept the guy off balance. Boxing is about adjustments. Miguel just kept circling and countering, and Tony kept getting closer and closer. Against Shane, Miguel made the late-round adjustment to backpedal and box. Against Tony, he tried that tactic for the WHOLE FIGHT. This sounds strange to say, but the fight I was reminded of mostly was Taylor-Chavez.

                      5) "Don't try this at home". There are guys who can sit on the ropes and defend and who feel very comfortable there. They can stay on the ropes and avoid leather all night. Those guys have names like Whitaker and Mayweather. Miguel, you are a terrific fighter. But that isn't your game. You are not Pea. And you are not Floyd. When you went to the ropes, you basically sat there and countered....but you ate leather.

                      6)Don't read your own press. Everybody was saying that the fight turned into the fight they expected. That was good for Tony, and bad for Miguel. Tony is largely a one-trick pony. Miguelhas the more comprehensive skills package. I believe that Quitto pretty much bought in to all the experts opinions. I'm not saying that he relied on that. But he certainly felt that his superior boxing (that earned the early 3:1 odds) was enough to win.


                      That is the Dios viewpoint. I may become smarter after breakfast. Later.
                      cotto doesnt deserve this criticism, how about we chuck you in with margarito and see what happens? like another poster said, im sure you coulda done better

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