Who will be known as the greater fighter, Toney or Mayweather?

[slicksouthpaw16]

you know what i don't even know.

i was tuaman , left hook tua and gracietua on there before.

i posted exactly the way i do here. i never got banned here once.

i think i got into it with a mod once that i didn't know was a mod.

the last time they banned me was because i did a "Ali at 64 vs. Haye at 28" it was a parody thread of this guy who pissed me off 'cause he was trying to compare 1964 Ali with 2008 Haye.

i like haye but don't compare him to ali......

everybody loved the thread. it was like 20 to 1 the votes for the 64 yr. old ali. ha ha ha then i got banned.

I have done worst stuff than that. You could never imagine the names i called those posters like JohnThomas, Sweet pea, Robbi ect and i have never been even threated to be banned. I guess it was you getting into it with a mod because making a funny thread is nothing to be banned over.

My username is still slicksouthpaw16 over there and i have Chad Dawson in my avatar.

[Left Hook Tua]

I have done worst stuff than that. You could never imagine the names i called those posters like JohnThomas, Sweet pea, Robbi ect and i have never been even threaten to be banned. I guess it was you getting into it with a mod because making a funny thread is nothing to be banned over.

that's what i think too.

you know how i am. i make little jokes but i don't get racial or curse or anything like that.

i think a mod just didn't like me......

[slicksouthpaw16]

that's what i think too.

you know how i am. i make little jokes but i don't get racial or curse or anything like that.

i think a mod just didn't like me......

Its funny because Sweet Pea(who also has an account on this forum) and many other people that came here from ESB said that they were banned as well. I'm sure i would have been too if i logged in as regularly. I only log in over there about once a month.

[Left Hook Tua]

Its funny because Sweet Pea(who also has an account on this forum) and many other people that came here from ESB said that they were banned as well. I'm sure i would have been too if i logged in as regularly. I only log in over there about once a month.

yeah a lot of esb guys are here.

they all say the same thing about not knowing what they got banned for.

[Parody]

Floyd wouldn't lose to someone like Drake Thadzi or barely beat Dave Tiberi. I like James Toney a lot but this is a a no brainer.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Floyd wouldn't lose to someone like Drake Thadzi or barely beat Dave Tiberi. I like James Toney a lot but this is a a no brainer.

That could possibly have something to do with the fact that Toney took risks and fought fighters that he didn't have to, even risking his pound for pound status. When Mayweather fought a lesser opponent in Boldimer, he boxed cautiously to avoid criticism. Toney never cared. The main thing was that Toney was his worst enemy by not coming in shape and draining himself at the last minute. I personally would prefer to look bad against lesser opposition and accomplish as much or even more than Mayweather, then to be criticized for not fighting the best and retire on that note. Again i am a Mayweather fan, but its just facts.

[Parody]

That could possibly have something to do with the fact that Toney took risks and fought fighters that he didn't have to, even risking his pound for pound status. When Mayweather fought a lesser opponent in Boldimer, he boxed cautiously to avoid criticism. Toney never cared. The main thing was that Toney was his worst enemy by not coming in shape and draining himself at the last minute. I personally would prefer to look bad against lesser opposition and accomplish as much or even more than Mayweather, then to be criticized for not fighting the best and retire on that note. Again i am a Mayweather fan, but its just facts.

You said it yourself, If anyone is to blame here its Toney himself for his lack of discipline, and this will be the reason Floyd will be remembered as the greater fighter. People remember you more for who you beat, not just who you fight. Floyd wouldn't struggle against complete unknowns like Tiberi and Thadzi, nor would he take steroids. Toney was being outboxed by Michael Nunn before the stoppage, not that its anything bad because Nunn was a good fighter, but Nunn was a round away from beating Toney before the stoppage. Also Hasim Rahman is known as the worst titlist of the HW Division and Toney struggled against him in the first fight too. Sanderline Williams ring a bell? Your basically trying to convince people that Toney will be remember as the greater fighter, when the truth is he wont, This website is known as the Floyd Mayweather hate forum, but even the poll indicates something else. Toney also has won legit world titles at 160, 168 and 175, I dont count IBU or IBA titles.

[abadger]

James Toney is absolutely nowhere near as skilled as Floyd Mayweather, nowhere even close. He is a good boxer but those hyping his technical skill are overexaggerating the case. He had a natural defensive talent and was a considerable badass who knew how to get the job done, but he wasn't a genius boxer.

As for who is 'greater' you can make the case either way. Toney achieved much in his career, going from MW to HW with very few losses and plenty of titles. In doing so, he fought really quite a lot of good competition, but fewer genuinely great opponents than is often made out.

The standard of Mayweather's resume is not that different, just like Toney it has titles at multiple weight classes, it just has fewer fights on it and an 0. If anything I'd say that the average standard of Mayweather's competition is better than Toney's is, if we consider their careers as a whole.

To me the answer to the question is to be found in how the two are already regarded, and for me that means Mayweather is already considered the greater of the two, and I don't see how anything that happens in the future could possibly change that.

[RichCCFC]

Mayweather..

[slicksouthpaw16]

James Toney is absolutely nowhere near as skilled as Floyd Mayweather, nowhere even close. He is a good boxer but those hyping his technical skill are overexaggerating the case. He had a natural defensive talent and was a considerable badass who knew how to get the job done, but he wasn't a genius boxer.

As for who is 'greater' you can make the case either way. Toney achieved much in his career, going from MW to HW with very few losses and plenty of titles. In doing so, he fought really quite a lot of good competition, but fewer genuinely great opponents than is often made out.

The standard of Mayweather's resume is not that different, just like Toney it has titles at multiple weight classes, it just has fewer fights on it and an 0. If anything I'd say that the average standard of Mayweather's competition is better than Toney's is, if we consider their careers as a whole.

He is an all around more complete fighter IMO but slightly. If Mayweather loss his speed and reflexes, then his career would be over becuase his style depends on that. Toney was the better thinker, better counter puncher, FAR better inside fighter and has more punchning power.Toney has already moved up in weight, loss most of his speed and he is still a genius that he is competing at heavyweight and even won a heavyweight title. Roy Jones and Bob Fitszimmons are the only ones in history that accomplished that and many people are looking past it. He also fought the best opposition and beat most of them. Who on Mayweather's resume was better than a prime unbeaten Michael Nunn? Who was number one pound for pound at the time?

You said it yourself, If anyone is to blame here its Toney himself for his lack of discipline, and this will be the reason Floyd will be remembered as the greater fighter. People remember you more for who you beat, not just who you fight. Floyd wouldn't struggle against complete unknowns like Tiberi and Thadzi, nor would he take steroids. Toney was being outboxed by Michael Nunn before the stoppage, not that its anything bad because Nunn was a good fighter, but Nunn was a round away from beating Toney before the stoppage. Also Hasim Rahman is known as the worst titlist of the HW Division and Toney struggled against him in the first fight too. Sanderline Williams ring a bell? Your basically trying to convince people that Toney will be remember as the greater fighter, when the truth is he wont, This website is known as the Floyd Mayweather hate forum, but even the poll indicates something else. Toney also has won legit world titles at 160, 168 and 175, I dont count IBU or IBA titles.

Since when does someone's performance in a fight effect their legacy? Nunn is an all time great and was pound for pound the best fighter in the world at the time. The fight was also not as one sided as you and many other people make it seem. Toney was starting to close the gap and even from the begining of the fight, he was clearly landing the more effective blows when he stopped a gassed out Nunn. I ACTUALLY watch these fights instead of just looking on boxrec and going off of other's gossip and lies.

You are also criticizing what Toney did at heavyweight, which is laughable considering Toney is a middleweight and fighting in a division that he was not expected to do well at thought of as being overmatched. Do you see Mayweather moving up to middleweight and beating Pavlik? I sure don't.

You just stated that people will remember you for you beat, so considering Toney not only fought but beaten the better line of fighters, then why would Toney not be the greater fighter according to you? We can size up their resume's if you want to and it will prove that he fought the better fighters.