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East-Side boxing is a more knowledgeable forum. You can make a case for Mayweather being greater, but a total landslide by over 30 votes? It makes no sense. What has Mayweather done in his career that Toney hasn't besides retire unbeaten and being more consistant? The fact that Toney fought the best makes up for that.Last edited by slicksouthpaw16; 07-23-2008, 04:47 AM.Comment
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Good post fella, i agree with the entire thing.Hmmm, I agree. James Toney at his best, in my opinion anyway, is a much better fighter than Mayweather could be. It was a pity he had to fight Jones Jr though as, at that stage, Jones could have beaten anyone. Mayweather is undefeated and that does count for something, but, then again he didn't have to fight a Jones Jr did he?
Some might even say he could have beaten Jones, but, he has never even fought anyone close to the skill of Nunn, Johnson, McCallum etc. We'll never know, whereas for Toney we do know truly good he is.
Nonetheless, the losses and bad fights here and there, sadly, do count against him. Some people take losses into account much more than they should and not the fact that he has always come back from his losses to do what no one thought he could ever do again. That counts a lot for me. It really does take an amazing fighter to get back up after the losses he had.
My personal opinion is that Toney is the better fighter and for me I do consider him as being greater, even if Mayweather came back and beat Cotto, all around.
But, if you look purely at the records etc and how things are considered these day then nearly everyone will choose Mayweather because he is unbeaten. You could talk about consistency also. Mayweather didn't fight every month when he was champion though either did he? Nor, when he moved up, did he take the hardest possible fight available immediately. So, it's hard to say. I could go with Mayweather on his supposed consistency, but I don't actually consider him to be that consistent as he hardly fought much when it comes down to it. I think you have to take into account just how much Toney did fight as a champion. It's unheard of for contemporary fighters and he was, at some stage, going to have a bad run from fighting so much.
Nonetheless, he has always beaten the top fighters in his weight class. That to me is consistency. Whether or not he had a bad fight every now and then doesn't really matter overly much for me as he always came back from it. I find that very important.
I personally find Toney to be the epitome of a truly great fighter. Fights every possible opponent and champion no matter what. Comes back to great form after losses. Has never really been beaten. Jones beat him of course, but I mean beaten. He's great. Amazing fighter.
As for the poll, I don't know. I think I'll wait to see of Mayweather does come back. Otherwise it's Toney for me.
Also id like to add, i havent voted in the poll coz i think Toney is better but Floyd will be rememberd as the better of the twoComment
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you know what i don't even know.
i was tuaman , left hook tua and gracietua on there before.
i posted exactly the way i do here. i never got banned here once.
i think i got into it with a mod once that i didn't know was a mod.
the last time they banned me was because i did a "Ali at 64 vs. Haye at 28" it was a parody thread of this guy who pissed me off 'cause he was trying to compare 1964 Ali with 2008 Haye.
i like haye but don't compare him to ali......
everybody loved the thread. it was like 20 to 1 the votes for the 64 yr. old ali. ha ha ha then i got banned.Comment
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Floyd definitely has not accomplished more than Toney. Both were champions in 5 different weight divisions, however Toney has not only fought but has beaten the better fighters.
Also, why does people bring up steroids? I wonder what the hell that has to do with someone's legacy(no offense)? Especially since Toney was still fat and the steroids didn't show.Comment
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