Top 10 P4P List. Agree? Disagree?

[konaman]

Haye in the top 10 is a joke, his resume is Weak, he's not even top 20


Here's my list:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Kelly Pavlik
6. Israel Vazquez
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Christian Mijares
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Rafael Marquez

To be honest i put Hatton, Haye and Wlad (you won't agree with this name being tied in obviously) in mainly just to represent the divisions and get a good spread, makes me a sad panda thinking about weak divisions, especially cruiser and heavy, as the low divisions are spewing with talent.

On revision, Bhop probably deserves to be on the tail end of my list, as my grounds for JMM being very high were effected by his narrow loss to Pac, and BHop was pretty competitive with p4p #2 Calzaghe.

[Left Hook Tua]

Well, the problem we have then is that the heavyweight rule doesn't make sense to me. The best should be listed.

Regardless, Pavlik beat the TRUE champion, like Hatton did. However, with most traditional p4p lists, you take into consideration the level of opposition, how they beat them, their records, and their upside. In terms of the majority of those categories, I think Pavlik stacks up fairly well with Hatton. He blows him out of the water, however, in terms of upside.

yeah the 1 heavy rule is my own little thing.

i disagree about kelly thing. kelly's resume is good but ricky's is a tad better. now if kelly had beaten bernard for the 160 belt then it'd be different......

i don't consider upside. my list is on what they have done lately. i don't care if they're on the downside or just beginning in their careers.

the reason people bring upside into the equation is because it'll look bad if someone on their list losses. makes it look like a mistake on their part for having him on their p4p list.

[Left Hook Tua]

Thats reasonable. I have Hopkins on the list becuase he was ranked so high when he fought Calzaghe, who is ranked at number 2 and he also lost a razor thin decision. Marquez has not won a fight in a year, doesn't have a title and does not currently have a fight signed. You can make a case for him being on the list becuase he was ranked high when he lost to Vasquez so, either way is reasonable.

with the way marquez-pacquiao and vazquez-marquez fights went......hard to penalize either for the loss.

a tough could go either way loss to an elite opponent means more than a easy win over a nobody.

[Left Hook Tua]

Haye in the top 10 is a joke, his resume is Weak, he's not even top 20


Here's my list:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Kelly Pavlik
6. Israel Vazquez
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Christian Mijares
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Rafael Marquez

what are you doing in my thread?

oh wait......you can go on my thread because i don't have you on ignore like you have me......

maybe i should put you on my ignore list. oh wait...... i can't. red k's and ignores are for *******.

[boxing_great]

how the hell can ricki hatton be up there??

[Silencers]

I wouldn't have Haye, Klitschko and Hatton in there and I think Rafael should be lower than Juan Manuel, apart from that, it's an OK list.

[Left Hook Tua]

how the hell can ricki hatton be up there??

why not?

he's still lineal 140 champ and his only loss was to #1 p4p and it was at 147.

who'd you prefer?

cristian?

ivan?

bernard?

[Left Hook Tua]

I wouldn't have Haye, Klitschko and Hatton in there and I think Rafael should be lower than Juan Manuel, apart from that, it's an OK list.

yeah , i would have cristian and ivan there if it wasn't for i had to have haye and wlad there.

why are people so down on ricky? he lost to the #1 p4p guy and he's still the lineal champ at 140.

it's preference when it comes to juan manuel and rafael. i find rafael's style more pleasing and like him better.

[Silencers]

yeah , i would have cristian and ivan there if it wasn't for i had to have haye and wlad there.

why are people so down on ricky? he lost to the #1 p4p guy and he's still the lineal champ at 140.

it's preference when it comes to juan manuel and rafael. i find rafael's style more pleasing and like him better.

I had Hatton as pound for pound number 10 after the Mayweather fight but replaced him with Mijares because I thought Mijares' performances against Navarro and Munoz was better than Hatton's performance against Lazcano and Mijares partially unified his division with the win over Munoz.

[konaman]

yeah , i would have cristian and ivan there if it wasn't for i had to have haye and wlad there.

why are people so down on ricky? he lost to the #1 p4p guy and he's still the lineal champ at 140.

it's preference when it comes to juan manuel and rafael. i find rafael's style more pleasing and like him better.

I think youth and future is greatly favoured. As you said you aren't really counting whether they are on the incline or decline so that effects your list, makes it very resume based, which is fine.