Top 10 P4P List. Agree? Disagree?

[THe TRiNiTY]

hatton beat a great to get to where he is. 1 win over past prime kostya is better than 2 over jermain taylor. besides ricky got a trinket at 147 as well.

#9 and 10 is not really there by choice. i'd prefer to have ivan , cristian or even nonito on there.

i have this rule where i have to have 1 heavyweight on my list. right now that heavyweight is wlad. seeing wlad has to be #10 , i thought i'd put haye at #9.

haye is/was the unified cruiserweight champion. think what you want about his division but is heavy that much better? plus he unified it. wlad is not the lineal/ring champion at heavy.

Well, the problem we have then is that the heavyweight rule doesn't make sense to me. The best should be listed.

Regardless, Pavlik beat the TRUE champion, like Hatton did. However, with most traditional p4p lists, you take into consideration the level of opposition, how they beat them, their records, and their upside. In terms of the majority of those categories, I think Pavlik stacks up fairly well with Hatton. He blows him out of the water, however, in terms of upside.

[Left Hook Tua]

Also, how can Rafa be over Marquez? Your list is decent.. but is ordered poorly, to be honest.

personal preference. to many good fighters hard with only 10 spots. besides p4p ranking is difficult because they don't fight each other or the same opponents.

rafael and juan manuel are both coming off losses. but rafael has won 1 against that same opponent whereas juan has officially only gotten a draw.

[THe TRiNiTY]

personal preference. to many good fighters hard with only 10 spots. besides p4p ranking is difficult because they don't fight each other or the same opponents.

rafael and juan manuel are both coming off losses. but rafael has won 1 against that same opponent whereas juan has officially only gotten a draw.

However, both MOST LIKELY have the same upside left in their careers. Juan has the better 'other' wins and is also facing his next opponent with Casamayor. I just have him higher, but your list isn't bad, or **** or anything. Just, difference in opinion.

[Left Hook Tua]

I don't have Haye or Klitschko on my pound for pound list yet. Klitschko has not unified heavyweight and Haye hasn't accomplished enough to be on there as of now. The best names that are on his resume are Mormeck and Macrenelli. Chad Dawson has beaten better fighters than he has.


This is my list.

1. Manny Macquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manual Marquez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Israel Vasquez
7. Kelly Pavlik
8. Cristian Mijares
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Ricky Hatton

very good list. if i didn't HAVE TO have wlad and haye on my list , we would have exactly the same people except you have bernard and i have rafael.

[Left Hook Tua]

Tua, what criteria do you run your P4P fighters through to come to a result?

(not criticising just curious, makes it easier to understand/compare if you are using a similar set of criteria)

criteria? everything.

records , wins , opponents , skills , etc. probably same criteria as yours.

the only difference is , for me , i like to have 1 heavyweight on my list. since it's the glamour/popular division in boxing i feel that division always has to have one representative.

that's what screwed up my list. if i didn't have to have that 1 heavyweight , i'd have ivan and cristian instead of wlad and david.

but since i have to have 1 heavy i put wlad at #10 and had to have haye #9.

[slicksouthpaw16]

very good list. if i didn't HAVE TO have wlad and haye on my list , we would have exactly the same people except you have bernard and i have rafael.

Thats reasonable. I have Hopkins on the list becuase he was ranked so high when he fought Calzaghe, who is ranked at number 2 and he also lost a razor thin decision. Marquez has not won a fight in a year, doesn't have a title and does not currently have a fight signed. You can make a case for him being on the list becuase he was ranked high when he lost to Vasquez so, either way is reasonable.

[konaman]

I don't really know a whole lot about the lower weights but my list would be something along these lines.

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Miguel Cotto
4. JMM
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Kelly Pavlik
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. David Haye

[WLAD OWNS]

Haye in the top 10 is a joke, his resume is Weak, he's not even top 20


Here's my list:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Kelly Pavlik
6. Israel Vazquez
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Christian Mijares
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Rafael Marquez

[Left Hook Tua]

I wouldn't have Ping Ping as high as I simply feel he isn't that good... I might have JMM my No.1 considering I think he beat Ping Ping no matter what the judges said.

The Paler I wouldn't have in... probably not Moby either.

Not a bad list though brother.

ping ping is no. 1 , duke. whether he's as good as his resume is he did win those fights. what are jmm's biggest wins? medina? marco?

as far as paler......my 1 heavyweight rule screwed my list up a bit.

[Duke McKenzie_]

ping ping is no. 1 , duke. whether he's as good as his resume is he did win those fights. what are jmm's biggest wins? medina? marco?

as far as paler......my 1 heavyweight rule screwed my list up a bit.

I'm not even sure about Wlad now I come to mention it.

I mean, the idea is if all these guys were the same size... the fact that Wlad wins a lot of his fights by being 8 foot tall weighing 578lbs takes away from that somewhat.