Kostya Tszyu vs Floyd Mayweather at 140

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  • Silencers
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    #11
    Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
    I would actually lean towards Tszyu over Mayweather at 140lbs.

    Tszyu's biggest weakness was pressure. People fail to give Hatton any credit for his victory but he had the exact blueprint on how to beat Tszyu which Vince Phillips laid out. Hatton suffocated Tszyu, mauled him and tired him out. Yes him being 35 years old didnt help his case with the intensity it was fought at but I think overall Hatton's tactics were what won him the fight.

    Give Tszyu space and try to box him from a distance and you're absolutely ****ed. Tszyu was never troubled by speed. Judah's speed gave him a problem for all of 3 minutes before he eventually caught up to him. Mayweather probably wouldnt fold as easily as Judah but I still think Tszyu could have pulled it off.
    That's not really true, Tszyu sometimes got wild and wide with his shots when his opponents are at a distance, he got countered and dropped more than once because of this.

    Judah got ****y in the second round and was more stationary because he thought he could beat Tszyu that way as well, he was totally wrong, Mayweather wouldn't have been as silly.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Silencers
      That's not really true, Tszyu sometimes got wild and wide with his shots when his opponents are at a distance, he got countered and dropped more than once because of this.

      Judah got ****y in the second round and was more stationary because he thought he could beat Tszyu that way as well, he was totally wrong, Mayweather wouldn't have been as silly.
      This is how I feel to,Judah should not be compared to Mayweather as they have different skill sets.Floyd is on a whole other level defensivly compared to Judah and his countering ability is superior also.If Floyd were to get hurt he wouldn't be foolish enough to get up before he got his legs back.He reacted well when Corley hurt him and I am sure he would do the same if Kostya landed his right hand.The only thing similar between the two is their speed but Floyd might trump him in that as well.Floyd beat Hatton who beat Tsyzu but that wouldn't perdict the outcome for this fight. Mayweather UD

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        #13
        Originally posted by Silencers
        That's not really true, Tszyu sometimes got wild and wide with his shots when his opponents are at a distance, he got countered and dropped more than once because of this.

        Judah got ****y in the second round and was more stationary because he thought he could beat Tszyu that way as well, he was totally wrong, Mayweather wouldn't have been as silly.
        Granted I think he did sometimes need time to find his rhythm but he always seemed to find it in the end.

        I agree Mayweather wouldnt have been as dumb or folded as easily but I could see Kostya eventually landing the right hand. Then all bets are off.

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          #14
          Originally posted by ALT-Assassin
          This is how I feel to,Judah should not be compared to Mayweather as they have different skill sets.Floyd is on a whole other level defensivly compared to Judah and his countering ability is superior also.If Floyd were to get hurt he wouldn't be foolish enough to get up before he got his legs back.He reacted well when Corley hurt him and I am sure he would do the same if Kostya landed his right hand.The only thing similar between the two is their speed but Floyd might trump him in that as well.Floyd beat Hatton who beat Tsyzu but that wouldn't perdict the outcome for this fight. Mayweather UD
          Tszyu hits much harder than Corley though, Mayweather may not even get a chance to recover, Mayweather did fight a much more offensive fight in the Corley fight though, I doubt he'd fight Tszyu the same way.

          And I don't like the triangle theory, most of the time, it doesn't work out.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
            Granted I think he did sometimes need time to find his rhythm but he always seemed to find it in the end.

            I agree Mayweather wouldnt have been as dumb or folded as easily but I could see Kostya eventually landing the right hand. Then all bets are off.
            Yeah, it would have been very interesting to see how Mayweather would handle getting hit by such a big puncher but I'm not really sure if Tszyu would be able to catch Mayweather flush if Mayweather fights a cautious fight.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Silencers
              Tszyu hits much harder than Corley though, Mayweather may not even get a chance to recover, Mayweather did fight a much more offensive fight in the Corley fight though, I doubt he'd fight Tszyu the same way.
              And I don't like the triangle theory, most of the time, it doesn't work out.
              Definitely not. I was shocked at how Floyd fought against Corley. If Corley had any pop, Floyd might've been in serious trouble.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Silencers
                Tszyu hits much harder than Corley though, Mayweather may not even get a chance to recover, Mayweather did fight a much more offensive fight in the Corley fight though, I doubt he'd fight Tszyu the same way.

                And I don't like the triangle theory, most of the time, it doesn't work out.
                I agree but like you stated he was more offensive minded in that fight.If he wanted to he could win the fight throwing three clean punches a round.People claim Kostya is accurate but floyd is the definition of accuracy

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                  Definitely not. I was shocked at how Floyd fought against Corley. If Corley had any pop, Floyd might've been in serious trouble.
                  He learned his lesson from that fight, he hasn't fought that offensively since.

                  Originally posted by ALT-Assassin
                  I agree but like you stated he was more offensive minded in that fight.If he wanted to he could win the fight throwing three clean punches a round.People claim Kostya is accurate but floyd is the definition of accuracy
                  Both of them were very accurate, Tszyu carried more power with his accuracy whereas Mayweather was quicker.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Silencers
                    Yeah, it would have been very interesting to see how Mayweather would handle getting hit by such a big puncher but I'm not really sure if Tszyu would be able to catch Mayweather flush if Mayweather fights a cautious fight.
                    The cautiousness is what stops as many people calling Floyd the ATG that his skills and accomplishments probabbly deserve, that said I still feel that Tszyu beats him, there is one punch that Tszyu threw very very often that is not really talked about, Hatton knew it and even tried to beat Kostya to it a few times. It was the left hook on the instruction to break from the referee, it was devastating and unless you were aware it was coming it not only scored points it would/could rock a fighter to his boots, coming as it did just at the split second that the ref called break.
                    Obviously Floyd is a clever fighter and would have seen it after being hit by it a couple of times, but a couple of times may have been all that was needed.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by the_godslayer
                      The cautiousness is what stops as many people calling Floyd the ATG that his skills and accomplishments probabbly deserve, that said I still feel that Tszyu beats him, there is one punch that Tszyu threw very very often that is not really talked about, Hatton knew it and even tried to beat Kostya to it a few times. It was the left hook on the instruction to break from the referee, it was devastating and unless you were aware it was coming it not only scored points it would/could rock a fighter to his boots, coming as it did just at the split second that the ref called break.
                      Obviously Floyd is a clever fighter and would have seen it after being hit by it a couple of times, but a couple of times may have been all that was needed.
                      Tszyu did like to do that, it was a smart move. I'm not really sure if Mayweather would have let Tszyu do that without Tszyu suffering some type of penalty or something though because you can be sure Mayweather and his camp would have said something to the referee about it before the fight and Mayweather would have complained about it a lot during the fight

                      And I'm not sure if Mayweather would actually let Tszyu hit him with that punch because Mayweather was actually very good at tying up his opponents on the inside when he needed to, Tszyu would be the physically stronger man at 140 though.

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