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I can believe it, but the thing you have to understand is that it is only natural to be majorly biased towards your favourite fighter. I have Roy Jones Jr at #7 on my all time p4p list, however at the same time I realise that I am most likely horribly biased and blinded by my feelings towards the fighter.
Neither Joe or Toney would be in my top 10 favourite fighters. I appreciate the skill of both. Subsequently I feel that I am in a fairly decent position to evaluate their careers and place them reasonably in terms of their all time status. In my eyes, Toney should be placed higher than Joe. He has a lot more strings to his bow than Joe does and a far better resume.
It is all just opinions though, as is the case with all all time p4p judgements.Comment
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Maybe he can become an all time great, he had great skills but lacked discipline and was erratic in some of his performances, and I think top 20 is too high.Comment
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I'm a big fan of James Toney and I truly believe that if he can resurrect his career a THIRD time after turning 40 years old and winning titles from MW to HW I don't see why he shouldn't be in the top 20, all issues considered, the only other fighters in history to accomplish what Toney has is Foster and Jones?
When I hear ATG I imagine boxers who have gone where all other boxers have not...Comment
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So if you achieve a lot, that means it would be impossible for you to achieve more? Great logic.
Toney has more natural ability than Hopkins. The difference is that Hopkins worked as hard as anyone in the sport and ended up unifying all 4 belts, which is very rare. He also remained one of the best boxers p4p at a time when most boxers of his age were long retired.
If Toney had the work ethic of Hopkins, he would've achieved a lot more.
Surely you would agree that a boxer who came into fights weight drained several times was not using his talents correctly? Surely a guy who has losses to inferior fighters is not fulfilling his potential?
Ever? Or currently active? I would say Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather. Toney has been fighting for longer than (almost?) all current champs, so it's to be expected that he has a better record.
Not sure what your point is here? It's good that he did that, but I'm not sure how it has anything to do with what I've said. Does it show that he used his talents as well as he could've done throughout his career? No. Does it show that he's top 20? No
Wrong. Try getting your facts straight and staying on topic. Neither Calzaghe or your incorrect guess of what I think about him are relevant.
And I've disagreed with this where?
What I have said is that I don't rate it as highly as most people do. Wow, I have a different opinion to the majority, big deal. Seriously, are you too much of a child to accept that some people have a different opinion to you without acting like a **** about it?
By the way, what does the 44 in your username represent? It can't be your age as your seem like a little child, is it perhaps your IQ?
Seriously, I think that Roy Jones unifying at 175 is worth more than beating Ruiz. Some people would disagree with me and I have no problem with that, but that's just the way I see it. Likewise I don't think that Toney has any wins at heavyweight that are better than his achievements in the lower weights. He may've been robbed against Rahman the first time and Peter. He may've beaten Ruiz until the results of the test came back. But officially none of those fights were wins.
I have absolutely no problem with the fact that many people disagree with that view, and I have absolutely no problem exchanging opinion on the subject, but don't make the mistake of assuming that my views are the result of ignorance just because yours seem to be.Comment
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No I didn't.
If what you're saying is true, you'd have a link to back it up, right? But of course you don't because I didn't say it.
But why am I wasting my time on you anyway? You are starting to seem familiar to me...
Only joined this month
Australian
Tszyu fan
Childish
Obsessional hatred of Calzaghe that leads to you bringing him up all the time
A rep bar that's completely red
This sounds an awful lot like Aussieboxer, who was banned shortly before you joined due to his high number of crap posts and the fact that he was too ****** to disguise the fact that he was using an alt account to make dumb threads.Comment
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Man James Toney is the John Wayne of boxing, he aint da best but you gotta respect da **** he does.. dude is as skilled as anyone to ever lac eum up and even though he migth not beat every HW past and present he sure would give them a hell of a fight... **** he shouldnt even be a HW if he was liek Roy and kept his weight under control i guraentee he would be the LHW champ of the world right now if he did1Comment
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he won titles in 3 weight classes and beat guys like nunn, mccallum, jirov, holyfield, rahman etc....
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