..Ring Magazine: Pound For Pound...

[Fox McCloud]

In the time frame that you are speaking of I can see your point.

At this point...

A draw against a guy who lost twice to Kelly Pavlik
A win over a blown up welterweight
And a loss to Hopkins at a weight too big for Wright (who just lost to Calzaghe)

just isn't very impressive... so I can understand him being bottom 10, or even off the list, because of inactivity and what has happened to his opposition in their recent fights.

But... back then...

A contested draw to the undisputed, undefeated middleweight champion
A dominating performance over a guy who just got robbed against Vernon Forrest
And a close decision loss to the lineal LHW champ when Wright had no business at the weight.

Seems like it is more deserving of a higher ranking, considering Wright was #3 when he lost.

Yeah, it has ended up becoming okay, but I was a little shocked when those new P4P rankings came out the week after Hopkins-Wright.

[2quick2slick]

I would replace B-hop with Nonaire.

[williamhvx1]

1. Manny Macquiao 1 MANNY
2. Joe Calzaghe 2 JMM
3. Juan Manuel Marquez 3 MIGUELC
4. Bernard Hopkins 4ISRAEL V
5. Israel Vazquez 5JOE
6. Miguel Cotto 6BERNARD H
7. Kelly Pavlik 7 KELLY P
8. Cristian Mijares 8 RAFAEL
9. Rafael Marquez 9IVAN C*
10. Ivan Calderon 10 V KLICHT *
IVAN AND VK ARE GOOD BOXER WHICH GOT NO REAL GO CONTENDERS TO FIGHT AGAINTS...

[Fox McCloud]

What do you think Juan Manuel Lopez needs to do to get ranked?

His destruction of Ponce was so sweet.

Does a win over Molitor or Caballero get him on there?

Does a win over Marquez even do it?

I'm pretty sure a win over Vazquez at this point would make him a shoe-in for the list, but...

What do you all think?

[mellow_mood]

1. Pac Man
2. JMM
3. Pavlik
4. Cotto
5. Vasquez
6. Wright
7. Rafa Marquez
8. Guzman
9. Hopkins
10. Nonito Doniare

nonito doniare .. enough..................... by the way.. esto es pa ti.. envidioso....

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooollleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeee!!!

[slicksouthpaw16]

I disagree. The two fights Raf lost were razor thin to another p4p fighter. I think he is still worthy of being ranked. As far as Vazquez goes, he beat a better fighter in Raf, twice, than Cotto did winning against Shane, Judah and Gomez. Jmo.

My point is that he has not won in almost a year, does not have a title belt and does not even have a fight signed right now. Meanwhile, you have guys like Cotto, Mijares and Calderon getting big fights and fastly working their up the pound for pound rankings and earning their spots while Marquez is inactive and beltless. A win over Vasquez, Caballero, Molitor or Lopez would quickly boost up back up the list. As of now, these younger fighters are making a name for themselves.

[El Jesus]

My point is that he has not won in almost a year, does not have a title belt and does not even have a fight signed right now. Meanwhile, you have guys like Cotto, Mijares and Calderon getting big fights and fastly working their up the pound for pound rankings and earning their spots while Marquez is inactive and beltless. A win over Vasquez, Caballero, Molitor or Lopez would quickly boost up back up the list. As of now, these younger fighters are making a name for themselves.

lol @ inactive and beltless, that **** was harsh man, dont hurt em like that. I guess you have a point, i wouldnt change my list, however i wouldnt blast yours by any means, that is a great point because wtf is he doing right now?

[slicksouthpaw16]

lol @ inactive and beltless, that **** was harsh man, dont hurt em like that. I guess you have a point, i wouldnt change my list, however i wouldnt blast yours by any means, that is a great point because wtf is he doing right now?

I even have to admit that was cold..lol. I agree though, both lists would be understandable. It really depends on how you look at it.

[Scott9945]

winky clearly beat taylor..got robbed like Pernell did with Chavez

Not even close. That is just absurd.

[THe TRiNiTY]

What do you think Juan Manuel Lopez needs to do to get ranked?

His destruction of Ponce was so sweet.

Does a win over Molitor or Caballero get him on there?

Does a win over Marquez even do it?

I'm pretty sure a win over Vazquez at this point would make him a shoe-in for the list, but...

What do you all think?

Beating Rafa Marquez puts him up on the list. Undefeated, great skills, tremendous upside, charismatic, great punch, speedy, good footwork, technically sound, and would have beaten Ponce (very impressively) and Rafa, (presumively impressive). That's top 10.

I mention all that stuff, because it DOES come into play. It determines your next opponents sometimes (if you can sell a fight with charisma), which could then improve your record, (if you beat the fighters in the big fights).