So its ok for Solis to outbox someone and use movement, but everyone else who does..

[El Jesus]

Solis just played it safe against a fighter who fought once at superfly. Glenn Donaire is a puncher and naturally bigger than Ulisis Solis.

I completely agree, and i also very much agree with the way he fought him, its just i saw not a single thread of anyone critisizing his performance due to the way he fought him. And i saw certain individuals praising him, when in just a few threads ago, they were ripping certain fighters for fighting in almost the exact same manner. Backing up, a few exchanges here and there, using movement, but anyone else is abused as a coward/runner. Thats really my point, the definition seems to be subjective within certain fighters with everyone else being excluded, even though they were fighting almost the exact same way.

[K-Nan]

Dude he didn't fight in fleet mode the entire fight. He put up a good show.

I mean he did a great job punching and making Doniare miss in the pocket.



And Jesus, remember when we were watching Forrest/Baldomir? We were in agreement that boxing like that is acceptable.

Solis was not outputting what is typically 'accepted' on this website. And of course he was making him miss.. otherwise we wouldn't be arguing about whether it was a boring fight.

Forrest Baldomir was a work of art.

[shadeyfizzle]

The thing is though, its been very popular lately on here to condemn ANYONE who uses movement to win a fight. Essentially, "running" has been used on here more than ever among certain groups of posters, but it seems to be selective to certain fighters only.

Theres a huge difference between movement and MOVEMENT. Whitaker would be at in-fighting range making you whiff but never being out of range to throw and never missing combo opportunities. Nothing wrong there.

Pulling a Zab Judah and throwing 1 punch every 30secs midway through a world title fight and getting on a horse to protect a 4pt lead as opposed to trying to finish the fight is a huge problem though

[Run]

Solis was not outputting what is typically 'accepted' on this website. And of course he was making him miss.. otherwise we wouldn't be arguing about whether it was a boring fight.

Forrest Baldomir was a work of art.

Did you see Solis's damn face?

You guys are acting like he pulled a DLH 12th round against Tito.

Solis only did that at two points, I think in the 7th and 10th.



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[Caxcan]

"I dont understand how you say he wasnt running like mayweather, but the way you described that fight, and the excitement involved in it (or lack thereof) basically resembled the baldomir fight in every way, even right down to your description and the fact that yes, in the second half, donaire basically stopped throwing."

Well, my point was that Donaire didnt bring anything to this fight other than pressure. Solis didnt have the option of standing toe to toe with Donaire as some people suggested he should have because Donaire is much larger and his primary focus seemed to be pressing forward and landing one big shot rather than engaging in an exchange of punches as many of Mayweather's opponents have attempted to do. When the two did exchange punches back and forth, Solis got the better of most of them.

[El Jesus]

Well, my point was that Donaire didnt bring anything to this fight other than pressure. Solis didnt have the option of standing toe to toe with Donaire as some people suggested he should have because Donaire is much larger and his primary focus seemed to be pressing forward and landing one big shot rather than engaging in an exchange of punches as many of Mayweather's opponents have attempted to do. When the two did exchange punches back and forth, Solis got the better of most of them.

and like i said, this is exactly what happened with baldomir, basically mayweather in the first 6 rounds had some really good exchanges with baldomir and nailed him with several beautiful shots, essentially the last 6 rounds of the fight, mayweather basically cruised to a UD, Baldomir brought nothing to the table but pressure and mayweather would be ****** if he stood in front of him, so how is solis performance any different than mayweather?

[El Jesus]

Theres a huge difference between movement and MOVEMENT. Whitaker would be at in-fighting range making you whiff but never being out of range to throw and never missing combo opportunities. Nothing wrong there.

Pulling a Zab Judah and throwing 1 punch every 30secs midway through a world title fight and getting on a horse to protect a 4pt lead as opposed to trying to finish the fight is a huge problem though

Which zab judah fight was this?

[K-Nan]

Which zab judah fight was this?

The only one I can think of is the chop chop fight. Otherwise he's pretty much in there.

[shadeyfizzle]

Which zab judah fight was this?

Junior Witter, Micky Ward. He'd battle like he's capable of for 4-5 rds then coast the rest of the way to protect his comfy lead.

[Caxcan]

and like i said, this is exactly what happened with baldomir, basically mayweather in the first 6 rounds had some really good exchanges with baldomir and nailed him with several beautiful shots, essentially the last 6 rounds of the fight, mayweather basically cruised to a UD, Baldomir brought nothing to the table but pressure and mayweather would be ****** if he stood in front of him, so how is solis performance any different than mayweather?

The difference is that Mayweather was known for repeatedly avoiding exchanges in order to pick his shots (not just in the Baldomir fight). However, Solis wasnt coasting to a decision in this fight or trying to look pretty, he was legitimately having problems dealing with Donaire's size and had blood running down his face by the first few rounds.