Calzaghe Vs Jones Jr.? Are U Serious!?!?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Dawson has been matched fast. He only has 26 fights and is already ranked 3rd at light heavweight and has already beaten elite guys. Yes, Johnson is elite, Adamek was elite and Eric Harding was also elite. He is battle tested and the win over Johnson will only help him. It was the first time that he was pressured and now he should know to react and to box smartly againstt pressure fighters.

I find it laughable that you accuse Pavlik of avoiding Calzaghe, when Calzaghe clearly stated that he wanted no part of him. Some examples should be left alone.

Taylor had beaten Hopkins twice and looked better than Calzaghe doing while do it. He also has other good against Wright, Bunema, ect. Another examle that should be left alone. He lost to Kelly Pavlik and there is no shame in that. Pavlik is a very good fighter, unbeaten knockout artist and middleweight champion. Taylor redemed himself in the rematch and had many people beleving that he won. All of the guys that you just mentioned are more tested than Kessler and Lacy, two guys with no names on their resume's that stand out. They are very good fighters, but again not tested that elite opposition.

You just called Adamek, Harding and Johnson elite. I shouldnt really dignify this with a response. At the widest of stretches, you could maybe argue Johnson was elite but the dude is 40 years old and he battered Chad round the ring. Harding was never elite. And who the **** had Adamek beaten to be called elite? Come on!

Kessler beat Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine and Librado Andrade who are all as good wins as anything Dawson has. No way "elite" but solid victories. I understand your a Chad fan but lets be real here.

I never said Pavlik was ducking Calzaghe. Im just finding it hillarious that he is accusing Calzaghe of ducking him whilst he goes after a welterweight as his next logical option. Pavlik hasnt even beat Abraham yet but he thinks the 175 Champ is afraid of him? Gimmie a break.

Taylor beat Hopkins twice? Not in my and the majority of people's books. Calzaghe actually beat Hopkins clearly. Neither guy looked good but there was far more controversy surrounding the Taylor fights. Bunema? Again, you're kidding right?

Taylor is more tested than Lacy and Kessler for sure. But I dont think he's really passed any. And coming off the back of two losses, he simply isnt an attractive option to Calzaghe.

[Williamb45]

I'm happy that Joe chose Jones. Do you guys realize what would happen to Jones legacy if he won (which I give him a very good chance at doing so)? I like both fighters, but Jones is one of my all time favorites, and I hope he pulls out a victory. Calzaghes lack of punching power takes away Roy's biggest weakness.

[GodOfWarII]

I'm happy that Joe chose Jones. Do you guys realize what would happen to Jones legacy if he won (which I give him a very good chance at doing so)? I like both fighters, but Jones is one of my all time favorites, and I hope he pulls out a victory. Calzaghes lack of punching power takes away Roy's biggest weakness.

Calzaghes speed, what can Roy block what he can't see coming? Btw, this fights a joke and because of people like you who actually think roy will pull off an upset I bust up laughing.

[LatinoGloves]

i'm Happy That Joe Chose Jones. Do You Guys Realize What Would Happen To Jones Legacy If He Won (which I Give Him A Very Good Chance At Doing So)? I Like Both Fighters, But Jones Is One Of My All Time Favorites, And I Hope He Pulls Out A Victory. Calzaghes Lack Of Punching Power Takes Away Roy's Biggest Weakness.

Well Sure Jones' "legacy" Would Be Off The Chain If He Defeated Calzaghe. But Jones Is Next To Ancient Now, And 1 Knockout Away From Retiring, But Even If He Did Win, Then What Would He Leave Calzaghe With In Ranking Terms? (whom Isnt Even Thinking About Retirement) Basically Im Saying I Would Much Rather See Calzaghe Win Cuz He's A Champion (current), And Wants To Continue Fighting, Not A Champion (past)

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Well Sure Jones' "legacy" Would Be Off The Chain If He Defeated Calzaghe. But Jones Is Next To Ancient Now, And 1 Knockout Away From Retiring, But Even If He Did Win, Then What Would He Leave Calzaghe With In Ranking Terms? (whom Isnt Even Thinking About Retirement) Basically Im Saying I Would Much Rather See Calzaghe Win Cuz He's A Champion (current), And Wants To Continue Fighting, Not A Champion (past)

Uhhhh Calzaghe is saying this will be his last fight. Do you live under a rock or something dude??

[slicksouthpaw16]

You just called Adamek, Harding and Johnson elite. I shouldnt really dignify this with a response. At the widest of stretches, you could maybe argue Johnson was elite but the dude is 40 years old and he battered Chad round the ring. Harding was never elite. And who the **** had Adamek beaten to be called elite? Come on!
Kessler beat Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine and Librado Andrade who are all as good wins as anything Dawson has. No way "elite" but solid victories. I understand your a Chad fan but lets be real here.

Adamek is a top 10 cruiserweight and just stopped last years undisputed cruiserweight champion Oneil Bell. He was also WBC light heavyweight champion that beat Paul Briggs twice who ranked top5 in the division. Adamek could also become IBF cruiserweight champion by the end of this year.

Eric Harding was ranked #10 by the ring magazine at light heavyweigh when Dawson beat him and he has wins Over Tarver, Montell Griffin ect. Two guys that were once elite. Tarver holds the IBF and IBO light heavyweight title as of now. Johnson has wins over Woods, Tarver, Jones, Griffin and could be Diaconu by October. These caliber fighters are on a higher level than the likes of Andrade and Beyer. Those are very good fighters so don't get me wrong, but please tell me who they have beaten? The guys that i names are stars in their division. Mundine is known as a joke(sorry), Beyer was shot and Andrade was never a champion.

I never said Pavlik was ducking Calzaghe. Im just finding it hillarious that he is accusing Calzaghe of ducking him whilst he goes after a welterweight as his next logical option. Pavlik hasnt even beat Abraham yet but he thinks the 175 Champ is afraid of him? Gimmie a break.

Calzaghe stated that he would rather go after Jones than Pavlik. A young guy that not only brings money on the table, but a pound for pound quality fighter that unlike Jones, presents a real challange to his super middleweight crowns. Everyone knows that Calzaghe is going to beat Jones.

Taylor beat Hopkins twice? Not in my and the majority of people's books. Calzaghe actually beat Hopkins clearly. Neither guy looked good but there was far more controversy surrounding the Taylor fights. Bunema? Again, you're kidding right?

Espn's Brian Kenny, many people on ESB, this forum and the many boxing fans that i am around believed that Hopkins won. I personally re watched the fight and scored it a draw. Taylor beat Hopkins twice and was the undisputed middleweight champion. That was also more closer to Hopkins prime when Taylor beat him. Bunema is junior middleweight champion and he aslo beat other good fighters like Wright ect.

Taylor is more tested than Lacy and Kessler for sure. But I dont think he's really passed any. And coming off the back of two losses, he simply isnt an attractive option to Calzaghe.

I would have to agree. It would still be a good win though.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Adamek is a top 10 cruiserweight and just stopped last years undisputed cruiserweight champion Oneil Bell. He was also WBC light heavyweight champion that beat Paul Briggs twice who ranked top5 in the division. Adamek could also become IBF cruiserweight champion by the end of this year.

Eric Harding was ranked #10 by the ring magazine at light heavyweigh when Dawson beat him and he has wins Over Tarver, Montell Griffin ect. Two guys that were once elite. Tarver holds the IBF and IBO light heavyweight title as of now. Johnson has wins over Woods, Tarver, Jones, Griffin and could be Diaconu by October. These caliber fighters are on a higher level than the likes of Andrade and Beyer. Those are very good fighters so don't get me wrong, but please tell me who they have beaten? The guys that i names are stars in their division. Mundine is known as a joke(sorry), Beyer was shot and Andrade was never a champion.




Calzaghe stated that he would rather go after Jones than Pavlik. A young guy that not only brings money on the table, but a pound for pound quality fighter that unlike Jones, presents a real challange to his super middleweight crowns. Everyone knows that Calzaghe is going to beat Jones.




Espn's Brian Kenny, many people on ESB, this forum and the many boxing fans that i am around believed that Hopkins won. I personally re watched the fight and scored it a draw. Taylor beat Hopkins twice and was the undisputed middleweight champion. That was also more closer to Hopkins prime when Taylor beat him. Bunema is junior middleweight champion and he aslo beat other good fighters like Wright ect.



I would have to agree. It would still be a good win though.

Mate I could make a big song and dance about any old bum and make them sound elite like you have. Adamek, Harding and Johnson (at this point) are not elite fighters.

Beyer was WBC Champ - same as Adamek. Andrade was undeafeated and "could be" champ soon. Mundine was WBA Champ, beat some decent guys like Danny Green, Soliman, Antwun Echols etc. Bottom line, all these guys are world level but not "elite level.

I get it, you're trying to dress up Dawsons resume. Fact of the matter is he is and will be considered as untested at elite level as Kessler and Lacy. Now if he beats Tarver, we might have something to work with.

Joe Calzaghe said he wanted his final ever fight to be against a legend like Jones who would make him the most money. Pavlik wont make anywhere near Jones at this stage. And the guy has issues at 160. Calzaghe isnt gonna kill himself at 37 years old to get back down to 168 just for Pavlik.

This forum? Come on, Calzaghe is hated almost everywhere on this forum. There were many more people - actual boxing people - who thought Hopkins beat Taylor than Hopkins beat Joe. Oh and even fewer people thought Taylor beat Wright which was a "draw" remember??

Bunema is a junior middleweight, thanks for clarifying that.

[Scott9945]

Polls on ESPN (Jones 60%, Joe 40%) and on this site indicate a LOT of people are picking Roy to win. That alone justifies this matchup. If everyone was picking Calzaghe that would be a different story. This is the right match for both fighters and it should do great business.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Mate I could make a big song and dance about any old bum and make them sound elite like you have. Adamek, Harding and Johnson (at this point) are not elite fighters.

Beyer was WBC Champ - same as Adamek. Andrade was undeafeated and "could be" champ soon. Mundine was WBA Champ, beat some decent guys like Danny Green, Soliman, Antwun Echols etc. Bottom line, all these guys are world level but not "elite level.

Who has Beyer, Soliman or Echols beaten? Echols was past his weight class and had became a journeyman/trial horse by that point. He was not ranked in the division nor was he ever a champion. The guys that i named were actually champions and stars in their divisions. The best guy that you names was Danny Green, who had a belt before he retired so he is actually quality. You have to pay attention to what the fighters have accomplished after their losses and how successfull their career has been overall. Eric Harding was the first to beat Antonio Tarver and by doing that, he got the opportunity to challenge for Roy Jones's belt. The fight was close until Harding pulled a muscle in his bicept and recieved the TKO loss. Tarver has beaten Woods, Jones twice, Johnson, Griffin ect. These guys are all champions. You are naming contenders.

I get it, you're trying to dress up Dawsons resume. Fact of the matter is he is and will be considered as untested at elite level as Kessler and Lacy. Now if he beats Tarver, we might have something to work with.

Im not dressing up anything. He still has a lot to prove, but he is an elite fighter that has beaten some very good fighter so far, considering he has only 26 fights. Johson was still an elite fighter. He loss a highly contraversial decision to Clinton Woods for the IBF title a few months before he was still ranked 3rd by the ring magizine. He is still an elite fighter and could be champion by october.

Joe Calzaghe said he wanted his final ever fight to be against a legend like Jones who would make him the most money. Pavlik wont make anywhere near Jones at this stage. And the guy has issues at 160. Calzaghe isnt gonna kill himself at 37 years old to get back down to 168 just for Pavlik.

Then why does he refuse to vacate all of his super middleweight titles instread of just the WBC? I highly doubt that he is actually retiring as well. He would recieve a lot of criticism if he actually retired without fighting a pound for pound quality fighter such as Pavlik, Tarver ect and end his careet by fighting guys like Jones and Hopkins that were cleary past their best.

This forum? Come on, Calzaghe is hated almost everywhere on this forum. There were many more people - actual boxing people - who thought Hopkins beat Taylor than Hopkins beat Joe. Oh and even fewer people thought Taylor beat Wright which was a "draw" remember??

Hopkins clearly lost to Taylor. He was simply out worked by the yonger stronger fighter and only fought when pressured. He simply couldn't figure Taylor out becuase he was confused with the wide punches of Taylor so he didn't take any risks. Hopkins made Calzaghe fight the tactical fight that he didn't want. He also knocked him down, something that he didn't do to Taylor.

Bunema is a junior middleweight, thanks for clarifying that.

I actually made a mistake there. Bunema is not a junior middleweight champion, he is a madatory to challenge for one of the titles when he knocked out Roman Karmazin and looked imressive doing it.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Who has Beyer, Soliman or Echols beaten? Echols was past his weight class and had became a journeyman/trial horse by that point. He was not ranked in the division nor was he ever a champion. The guys that i named were actually champions and stars in their divisions. The best guy that you names was Danny Green, who had a belt before he retired so he is actually quality. You have to pay attention to what the fighters have accomplished after their losses and how successfull their career has been overall. Eric Harding was the first to beat Antonio Tarver and by doing that, he got the opportunity to challenge for Roy Jones's belt. The fight was close until Harding pulled a muscle in his bicept and recieved the TKO loss. Tarver has beaten Woods, Jones twice, Johnson, Griffin ect. These guys are all champions. You are naming contenders.



Im not dressing up anything. He still has a lot to prove, but he is an elite fighter that has beaten some very good fighter so far, considering he has only 26 fights. Johson was still an elite fighter. He loss a highly contraversial decision to Clinton Woods for the IBF title a few months before he was still ranked 3rd by the ring magizine. He is still an elite fighter and could be champion by october.



Then why does he refuse to vacate all of his super middleweight titles instread of just the WBC? I highly doubt that he is actually retiring as well. He would recieve a lot of criticism if he actually retired without fighting a pound for pound quality fighter such as Pavlik, Tarver ect and end his careet by fighting guys like Jones and Hopkins that were cleary past their best.



Hopkins clearly lost to Taylor. He was simply out worked by the yonger stronger fighter and only fought when pressured. He simply couldn't figure Taylor out becuase he was confused with the wide punches of Taylor so he didn't take any risks. Hopkins made Calzaghe fight the tactical fight that he didn't want. He also knocked him down, something that he didn't do to Taylor.



I actually made a mistake there. Bunema is not a junior middleweight champion, he is a madatory to challenge for one of the titles when he knocked out Roman Karmazin and looked imressive doing it.

Maybe you're just a little more flimsy with the word "elite" than I am. But im not gonna have an argument over whether Adamek and aged Harding are elite fighters because its just ludicrous. Mundine and Beyer were both champions, Andrade might be a champ by the year is out. None of these people are elite.

I really like Glen Johnson and I dont wanna bad mouth him or anything but at this stage, hes not elite, more a gatekeeper. For the record, I think Johnson is probably the best name on Dawson, Kessler and Lacys collective records. But I still think he beat Dawson so.....it kinda leaves Dawson in the same category as Kessler/Lacy. If he beats Tarver convincingly, he'll have surpassed those two.

Calzaghe hasnt refused to vacate anything. You cant refuse to vacate a belt, they vacate it if you dont defend it. Kessler has already taken his WBA Belt. Froch looks likely to take the WBC. And looks like Taylor and Lacy will (somehow) fight for the WBO.

Tarver is not P4P Quality. Pavlik is barely. Joe has been adament that hes gonna retire. If he doesnt then Im sure he'll fight Pavlik as thats the next biggest money fight. But at the end of the day, why kill yourself at 37 after 45 fights being a two weight champ just to fight a guy that a lot of people wouldnt even give you much credit for beating.

Hopkins clearly lost to Taylor? Gimmie a break! Like I said, many more proper boxing people had Hopkins over Taylor than Hopkins over Calzaghe. Hopkins dropped Calzaghe but he hurt Taylor. Big difference.