Joe Calzaghe vs. Roy Jones Jr: Final Fight For Joe?

[WESS]

I rest my case.

I dont need to show any biases towards Roy Jones. I actually admire him as one of the greatest fighters Ive ever had the pleasure of watching. That doesnt mean he's beyond criticisim which fanboys like you wont understand.

o forgot to add you never had a case homie!!! thanks for playing, now get back in line......

[IMDAZED]

I'm gonna answer each part of your statement paragraph by paragraph to see which part you avoid.

1. So now Jones wasn't "keen" on the fight. Tell me...if you were the world's best fighter, an established PPV fighter and the bigger name, would u go fight some nobody in his little country for less money? The answer is yes if you're a Calzaghe nuthugger who believes their hero deserved whatever his little heart desired.

2. Jones didn't get an immediate fight at 168 against Toney. Go do your homework. He made only ONE defense of his MW title because he couldn't make weight. Nearly ALL his fights after Hopkins (and before Toney) were at SMW already. he officially moved up fighting highly-ranked Merqui Sosa BEFORE Toney. Got it?

3. We don't know how many hoops Calzaghe would've had to go through because he didn't try, now do we? Unless telling some obscure reporter that you'd like to fight Roy Jones is your idea of "trying."

Go away. You'll probably stop watching boxing once Calzaghe retires. Fraud...

Uppin this for the "fraud" so he can't go run away from the thread.

[WESS]

DIRT DIGGLER, Your ****ty logic and lack of insight is getting you thrown out of every thread, go home, rethink your life.

haha, yeah but I like him in here, he is such an idiot it makes it more entertaining! lol Dudes funny.... He's probably joking half the time anyway.... I don't think he's really that ******ed...

[Chase8400]

Actually, that's not true. Larger crowds DON'T equal larger paydays. Calzaghe just earned a career high payday fighting in front of 10k in Vegas. As opposed to the 35k he drew against Manfredo in Wales...why?

Why did Calzaghe himself say his fight against Jones would be in the US because they stood to make more money there?

OK, if the same promoters , TV network and same fighters are involved, why would they not make more with more fans in attendence? That's all I will say to another Jones fan. Please somebody offer some assistance. We're just not getting the point here.

[WESS]

OK, if the same promoters , TV network and same fighters are involved, why would they not make more with more fans in attendence? That's all I will say to another Jones fan. Please somebody offer some assistance. We're just not getting the point here.

Wouldn't the "REAL MONEY" be in PPV, not in the attendance?

[IMDAZED]

OK, if the same promoters , TV network and same fighters are involved, why would they not make more with more fans in attendence? That's all I will say to another Jones fan. Please somebody offer some assistance. We're just not getting the point here.

Why don't you ask Calzaghe? He said it, I didn't.

HBO has worked overseas plenty of times, ask Wlad. But I think there's just a lot more involved - site fee, etc.

[WESS]

Wouldn't the "REAL MONEY" be in PPV, not in the attendance?

I forgot to add, but would it make that big of a difference with a large crowd or not, when the PPV is REALLY what there after when it comes to money.

[seebert]

Joe got down early to an excellent fighter in Kessler, and came back to completely dominate the fight and tire his opponent out. He also displayed the great chin he has.

Against Hopkins, who easily weighed 190 after rehydrating, he took the best B-Hop could give, and then once again, completely took over the fight in the mid, to late rounds. It was Hopkins who feigned getting donked in the sack (which the replay clearly debunks) to get a rest, because he was simply getting dominated by that point.

Calzaghe proved in both contests that he has heart, stamina, and a champion's will to keep fighting even if falling behind early.

Cal doesn't have the same zip on his punches that he used to, but he's 35+ now. Jones lost his first fight (as the DQ doesn't count) once he reached that age. In fact, he got KO'd hard.

There are threads all over this place with links to quotes and articles about Jones and Hopkins being asked during their MW days (and Jones' SMW days) about fighting Calzaghe. In each instance, they turned it down simply because of Joe's lack of name recognition in the states, and because they wanted more money. Doesn't sound like the heart of a champion to turn down a legitimate champ/contender over money.

"Why make $4 million when I can make $10 million? Even if the average American family could retire with $500K and smart investments, I'm a greedy punk who's afraid to fight the best unless I get way more money than they get."

I love RJJ, and believe he's a top 10 all-time p4p fighter based on his achievements. He's also been far more congenial in his negotiations with JoeCal than was B-Hop. So no disrespect to him, but Calzaghe deserves to be in the same breath. He's legit. Calling his fans babies or whatever doesn't change that. Your opinions matter no more than theirs.

[Chase8400]

I didnt say ducking. I said Roy wasnt keen on the fight.

Jones gave up his middleweight title and got an immediate shot at Toney. Lucky Toney was such a nice guy and a warrior willing to put it on the line.

Goodness knows how many hoops Joe wouldve had to jump through to get a shot at Jones all the while the ATGs that were Telesco and Woods were being taken care of.

Let me put this to rest. If Joe was willing to take 60/40 and come over the pond when Jones was KING, then the fight would have been made. It's simple. Hopkins was a way more dangerous fight. Do you remember Jones saying to Hopkins, "take 60/40 and I'll tear that ass up", live on HBO?. Believe me, that applied to Joe as well. The challenger must come to the champ and back then Jones was the P4P #1. Joe was responsible for making the first move to fight outside of his comfort zone and he elected not to. And rightfully so. There would have been no fight back then. It would have been a ass whoopin for Joe. Now the odds are a little more even.

[Chase8400]

RJJ can have any goddamn demand he wants!! He doesnt need some ABC belt to call the shots and make demands. RJJ puts asses in the ****ing seats and people want to see him dance and embarrass someone!!!

Thanks, now I did'nt have to say it.