And This Is Your PFP #1? Nah I'll Still Take Floyd

[Bhopreign]

Well comparing Pac's early losses to his p4p status today as opposed to floyd's is not even fair. It would be like taking floyd's amateur record into consideration for his p4p status. Dude's a 2nd genaration boxer who had the best coaches in the world developing his game. Pac's only real boxing education was with Freddy Roach. If both Pac and floyd started on an even platform there would be no Floyd jr ATG talk. He'd be completely overshadowed by Pac.

Im not so sure, Floyd has shown no weaknesses nor has ever lost. Manny has gone a long way on a basic 1-2. Its basically mesmorizing that he has gotten that far. If those old great fighters he fought had been prime, I think they would have exposed that 1-2 over and over. Manny's speed, stamina, power and aggressivness though is why he has been able to take a basic 1-2 as far as he has, cant think of anothr boxer who would be able to.

[shadeyfizzle]

Im not so sure, Floyd has shown no weaknesses nor has ever lost. Manny has gone a long way on a basic 1-2. Its basically mesmorizing that he has gotten that far. If those old great fighters he fought had been prime, I think they would have exposed that 1-2 over and over. Manny's speed, stamina, power and aggressivness though is why he has been able to take a basic 1-2 as far as he has, cant think of anothr boxer who would be able to.

You're missing the point. You're still comparing them as is. What Im saying is If Floyd had no amateur background like Pac or if Pac had as extensive of an amateur background as Floyd...in both cases Pac would be tenfold greater than Mayweather

[Bhopreign]

You're missing the point. You're still comparing them as is. What Im saying is If Floyd had no amateur background like Pac or if Pac had as extensive of an amateur background as Floyd...in both cases Pac would be tenfold greater than Mayweather

i see what youre saying and that maybe true, but amateur boxing is different from professional in so many ways, amateur boxing really just prepares you for the many styles you will be facing down the line.

[Jose Rizal]

I don’t know why some people are having a hard time differentiating today’s Manny Pacquiao from his undeveloped younger version. It must be deliberate on their part. First, he’s a late bloomer as far as his skills were concerned. Secondly, he's a vastly superior fighter than what he was back then. Yet when talking prime for prime, or pound for pound, they won’t give Pac credit for his major wins. If you think those chumps that dropped him would’ve done the same if it were a Present Day Pac that faced them, then you’ve got to sort yourselves out. Do you think Pac's still soft in the middle?

Another thing is you should also take into consideration the real circumstances behind those KO losses, because looking at it at face value without delving deeper into the cause only shows bias and ignorance. Also, when ranking the current P4P, we judge who's best by their more recent accomplishments, not by their entire resume. An example is Barrera who had back-to-back losses to Junior Jones yet was able to claw his way to the top 3 in most lists by the time he met Pac.

[supremelygifted]

Well comparing Pac's early losses to his p4p status today as opposed to floyd's is not even fair. It would be like taking floyd's amateur record into consideration for his p4p status. Dude's a 2nd genaration boxer who had the best coaches in the world developing his game. Pac's only real boxing education was with Freddy Roach. If both Pac and floyd started on an even platform there would be no Floyd jr ATG talk. He'd be completely overshadowed by Pac.

Ok you can put to pipe down now! All things being equal Floyd would kill Pac in any time and era. Manny wouldn't go 6 rounds with Floyd on Manny's best day. Manny is fast ! Floyd is unGodly fast! Floyd also has a much greater understanding and ring intelligence in the ring. Ask people who know like SRL,Panama Lewis,Manny Steward,Lennox Lewis all who are some of the most ring intelligent people to ever be around boxing. Manny has nothing that can nullify that. Manny is way more exciting but that only makes you the best to watch and not the best.

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Sorry guys but dude just a little too soft in the middle for me.

How the **** is Floyd the P4P #1 fighter when he's retired?



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[Jose Rizal]

Ok you can put to pipe down now! All things being equal Floyd would kill Pac in any time and era. Manny wouldn't go 6 rounds with Floyd on Manny's best day. Manny is fast ! Floyd is unGodly fast! Floyd also has a much greater understanding and ring intelligence in the ring. Ask people who know like SRL,Panama Lewis,Manny Steward,Lennox Lewis all who are some of the most ring intelligent people to ever be around boxing. Manny has nothing that can nullify that. Manny is way more exciting but that only makes you the best to watch and not the best.

You could be right but Floyd has retired. I don't see any other fighter out there that had proven more than Pac has who wins in a fight, "all things being equal."

[shadeyfizzle]

i see what youre saying and that maybe true, but amateur boxing is different from professional in so many ways, amateur boxing really just prepares you for the many styles you will be facing down the line.

It also teaches you fundamentals and how to develop your own style into its full potential. Yes floyd is dominant and he hasnt lost in the pros. But that amateur career was crucial for his success in the pros. Without it he'd be simply above average. Yet look at all Pac's accomplished without those fundamentals until just recently. If he had been developed as long as floyd he would be 10x greater than he already is today

[delipooke]

You're missing the point. You're still comparing them as is. What Im saying is If Floyd had no amateur background like Pac or if Pac had as extensive of an amateur background as Floyd...in both cases Pac would be tenfold greater than Mayweather

To sum it up, imagine floyd growing up in a 3rd world country, devoid of anything but the most basic of stuffs: will he still be the same fighter as he is today?

[shadeyfizzle]

Ok you can put to pipe down now! All things being equal Floyd would kill Pac in any time and era. Manny wouldn't go 6 rounds with Floyd on Manny's best day. Manny is fast ! Floyd is unGodly fast! Floyd also has a much greater understanding and ring intelligence in the ring. Ask people who know like SRL,Panama Lewis,Manny Steward,Lennox Lewis all who are some of the most ring intelligent people to ever be around boxing. Manny has nothing that can nullify that. Manny is way more exciting but that only makes you the best to watch and not the best.

You're a dumb **** that's missing my point entirely. I agree with you. But do you honestly think if Floyd had no amateur career he would be as good as he is?? **** no not even close. Or that if Pac had as extensive amateur career with the best coaches in the world as floyd had that Pac wouldn't be exponentially better than what he is today???