would you rather have mayweathers career or pacquiao???

[JAB5239]

If you imply that Mayweather had nothing to do with the numbers for the Delahoya fight then that's exactly what you're saying. You keep saying "Mayweather needed Oscar and Hatton for his big payday". I'm saying Mayweather hasda lot to do with the numbers and it works both ways.

I never said Floyd didn't have anything to do with it. I said he hasn't proven he could do big numbers without big names with big followings. Can you say he has?

When has Hatton ever proven what he brings to PPV outside of the Mayweather fight? He never even had a PPV before that. He made more than he's ever made fighting Mayweather. So there is no lying to it.

Hattons first PPV. Who brought the crowd? 10,000 brits came across the Atlantic. It is most definetly my opinion Hatton was the biggest reason for the success of that show.

Did Hatton ever get paid 8 million for fighting a Baldimer like opponent? He didn't even make that fighting Tszyu.

Hatton had just come to prominence in America. It doesn't change the fact that his following certainly carried the live gate. and with that, very had a bhuge part in carrying the PPV numbers. If Floyd hadn't fought Hatton, we know it wouldn't have been that big because he couldn't even sell out in Grand rapids before.

Oscar never did and probably never will ever get 2.4 million PPV buys again..


I could care less. Point is, he's always done huge numbers no matter who he fought. He's provede he is a consistent big earner for PPV no matter who he fights. floyd hasn't. That is why he has been fighting only guys with followings and wants deserving fighters to get followings before he takes the fight.

Also do me favor, if I'm debating with you it's me and you. Keep other peoples names out of it. I have nothing to do with what someone else says to you unless you have some other reason for making the comparison.

[FONT="Times New Roman"][If you lie that is reason enough to make a comparison to anyone I choose. You claimed I said Oscar by himself was the reason for the big number. I never said that. It was a lie and something boof would make up to get a point across. If you don't like the comparison, keep it real.FONT]

[Bogler]

obviously pac is a better and more respectable person, but that's not what the thread is asking.

respect from your peers and ppl watching your career is better than an extra $10-20M, pac's a multi-millioaire anyway, a would-be billionaire by philippine standards.

having a chip on your shoulder your whole life, daily ranting and trying to make everyone agree you're great and did everything, isn't worth the extra mills.

[joseph5620]

Hattons first PPV. Who brought the crowd? 10,000 brits came across the Atlantic. It is most definetly my opinion Hatton was the biggest reason for the success of that show.

Oh really? Did 10,000 brits come over to see him fight Collazo? Looks like you need to keep it real.

[JAB5239]

Oh really? Did 10,000 brits come over to see him fight Collazo? Looks like you need to keep it real.

I think, and I may be wrong, that it was 8000 went to boston for the Collazo fight.

[joseph5620]

[FONT="Times New Roman"][If you lie that is reason enough to make a comparison to anyone I choose. You claimed I said Oscar by himself was the reason for the big number. I never said that. It was a lie and something boof would make up to get a point across. If you don't like the comparison, keep it real.FONT]

I think, and I may be wrong, that it was 8000 went to boston for the Collazo fight.

You're way wrong. It was closer to 2000 for the Collazo fight. The number for the Mayweather fight was actually 20,000 with only half of them able to get in with tickets. Why would you just throw a number out there if you don't know what you're talking about? You're trying to cover your ass by saying "maybe I'm wrong" but it was a lie as far as I'm concerned That's the same crap Joann does if you want to make "comparisons". So what was that you were saying about "Hatton carrying the show?


"Any doubts Pellulo had that Ricky would be welcomed in America were dispelled by the reception the British fighter got in Boston. The media turned out in droves for the initial press conference, and the electricity was charged in both the large Irish community there and among the many British who also reside in Boston. In England, plans were quickly set in motion for several airplane deals to bring about 2,000 of Ricky's fans across the Atlantic."

[C.Y.]

i'll take manny's.

3 HOFer's in his resume.

i could care less about losses or being undefeated.

10 years from now are you popping in the marquez-pacquiao 2 or mayweather-de la hoya dvd?

i'll be popping in mayweather vs gatti or mayweather vs chavez

[Pullcounter]

respect from your peers and ppl watching your career is better than an extra $10-20M, pac's a multi-millioaire anyway, a would-be billionaire by philippine standards.

having a chip on your shoulder your whole life, daily ranting and trying to make everyone agree you're great and did everything, isn't worth the extra mills.

I think it's safe to say no one likes floyd's attitude and persona.

that said, all of floyd's peers respected him as p4p #1. all credible boxing analysts and writers respect floyd as well, they just want to see floyd fight cotto and egg him on so that he will.

all boxing fans, even haters know floyd is the **** because they talk about him so much even after he's retired.

Pac's career is good even all time great and he doesn't get paid like floyd because he's not in the right weight class, but floyd's career as is is better.

I can see Pac's career eclipsing Floyd's if Pac cleans out 135 and beating Hatton at 140. But I doubt he will clean out 135... Roach and Arum won't and probably shouldn't put Pac in a fight with slicksters and stylists, or maybe even with guys with big punches and adequate speed and timing.

If pac fights dlh at 147 (i doubt it) and beats dlh then for sure he will have eclipsed floyd, not that dlh is prime or anything, but a former 108 lbers beating a 154 lber is pretty damn unthinkable.

[monkeyboy]

You don't become great by fighting 'good' fighters.
Hell, anyone who thought Gatti belonged in the same ring as Floyd before the fight needed a reality check.
He's done well but will never be a 'great' fighter as he never captured the public's interest.
Inspiring, shocking and amazing people is what makes historic greats. Or you can scare them like Tyson. Pac fulfills the first three qualities because of the risky fights he takes.
I don't know if Pac will be an ATG but he is a lot closer than Floyd purely due to public opinion.
Floyd was happy to take the easy road to money. Poor public interest is the price.

[Sin City]

there is an error in the initial post.. officially Mayweather has never been knocked down but Judah knocked him down in their fight.

[Pullcounter]

You don't become great by fighting 'good' fighters.
Hell, anyone who thought Gatti belonged in the same ring as Floyd before the fight needed a reality check.
He's done well but will never be a 'great' fighter as he never captured the public's interest.
Inspiring, shocking and amazing people is what makes historic greats. Or you can scare them like Tyson. Pac fulfills the first three qualities because of the risky fights he takes.
I don't know if Pac will be an ATG but he is a lot closer than Floyd purely due to public opinion.
Floyd was happy to take the easy road to money. Poor public interest is the price.

floyd has fought and beaten every style there is from pressure fighter to southpaw cutey to puncher/boxer, to mauler/fouler etc...

pac only fights face first mexican or mexican-lite fighters. pac's toughest fights were against jmm a counterpuncher by trade who masquerades as a face-first-mexican brawler.