would you rather have mayweathers career or pacquiao???

[Boofdatruth]

We are talking about 2 fighters folks. Pac and Floyd. Were Barrera and Morales at their best when Pac fought them? Were they still good? Imo they were still decent, but far from the fighters they used to be. If you look at their resumes early, they fought tough fights from the beginning. I equate PAc to beating both Barrera and Morales similiar to Antonio Tarver beating Roy Jones. He was physically fresher than Jones. Jones pretty much had a whole career before he fought tarver. Roy made a terrible mistake coming down in weight to face Tarver. He was never the same after that. Morales pro debut was in 1993, Barrera's in 1989. Pac's debut was in 1995. Check their comp, and you can see the roads these guys travleled and who they fought.

Morales and Barrera had faced each other 3 times before either fought PAc. Barrera had fought jones, mckinney, naseem, Morales 3 times, and many others before PAc. He even beat Agapito sanchez(r.i.p) who gave PAc problems even before PAc was butted in that fight. Barrera was 43-0 before his first loss to Jones.

Morales fought Zaragoza, jones, mccullough, Barrera 3 times, Espadas, Chi, Jesus Chavez, C. Hernandez. After Morales beat PAc, he fought at lightweight and lost to Raheem and then Morales lost to Pac 2 more times coming back down to 130 when he couldn't make 130 anymore. Morales then lost to Diaz. Morales was 41-0 before he lost his first fight to Barrera.

Pac's road started when he lost a controversial fight and weight was the issue in his 12th pro fight. He then beat a fighter named Sasakul for his first title. He would again lose for the second time, this time losing his title at the scales before being defeated. Weight again was the issue. Pac I don't think rematched either man who beat him. Pac jumped from 112 to 122. He would beat Nedal hussein at 122 for the WBC belt, and He would beat ledwaba for the IBF belt at 122. Before fighting Barrera, the only fighter we may know of is Agapito Sanchez who we all remember gave Pac a tough, foul filled fight. The fight was a draw as Manny could not continue i believe because of a butt and cut. Barrera would then go on to fight the big 3, Larios, Diaz, and other decent opposition. Barrera debuted in 1989, and did not fight Pac till 2003, Morales debuted in 1993 and did not fight PAc until 2005.

FYI, Juan Marquez's pro debut was in 1993 at age 19. He lost his pro debut by disqualification and would not lose for another 6 years as wikipedia tells us. He beat agapito sanchez along the way. He lost to Norwood in a controversial fight.(I thought Norwood won, my friend Scott9945 says Marquez won). Marquez woud beat Peden, Medina for a title, Gainer, Pinckney(too many losses, but ko lwins over Jones and Espadas Jr.) and would fight Pac to a draw after being down 3 times in the first round(scoring of 10-7 first round probably should give Pac win). Marquez would fight tough comp before a rematch with Pac losing to John in a close fight and beating Salido, Polo, Jandaeng, Jaca, Juarez, and Barrera.

Pac is 29
Marquez is 34
Barrera is 34
Morales is 31

Pac has fought a lot of fights too, but the difference is their comp. It just seems to me that Moralesw and Barrera were in with great comp early in their careers, and Pac fought his wars later on in his career. So I ask without any disrespect to Pac...


Were Barrera and Morales at their best when they faced PAc, and would you vote Pac as greater than both Barrera and Morales today?

Slobs, don't bother answering. Fight fans, what are your thoughts? Remember, I agree that beating Barrera and Morales were good wins, just not enough for me to rank Pac over either man...YET lol.

[JAB5239]

We are talking about 2 fighters folks. Pac and Floyd. Were Barrera and Morales at their best when Pac fought them? Were they still good? Imo they were still decent, but far from the fighters they used to be. If you look at their resumes early, they fought tough fights from the beginning.

Lmao!!! You can say the same damn thing aqbout Floyd championship winning comp. Oh, except for 36 year old Baldomir, he ****** before and after Floyd. I won't bother tearing down the rest of those fighters which I could easilly do.

I equate PAc to beating both Barrera and Morales similiar to Antonio Tarver beating Roy Jones. He was physically fresher than Jones. Jones pretty much had a whole career before he fought tarver. Roy made a terrible mistake coming down in weight to face Tarver. He was never the same after that. Morales pro debut was in 1993, Barrera's in 1989. Pac's debut was in 1995. Check their comp, and you can see the roads these guys travleled and who they fought.

Jones is a pathetic comparison if you are going to stick with the angle that the big 3 were ring worn by the time Pac fought them. Of course thats already been dismissed. But Roy, Roy hardly ever had a glove laid on him before Tarver.

Morales and Barrera had faced each other 3 times before either fought PAc. Barrera had fought jones, mckinney, naseem, Morales 3 times, and many others before PAc. He even beat Agapito sanchez(r.i.p) who gave PAc problems even before PAc was butted in that fight. Barrera was 43-0 before his first loss to Jones.

Morales fought Zaragoza, jones, mccullough, Barrera 3 times, Espadas, Chi, Jesus Chavez, C. Hernandez. After Morales beat PAc, he fought at lightweight and lost to Raheem and then Morales lost to Pac 2 more times coming back down to 130 when he couldn't make 130 anymore. Morales then lost to Diaz. Morales was 41-0 before he lost his first fight to Barrera.

Lol, I've already covered this. You're chasing your tail like a dog.

Pac's road started when he lost a controversial fight and weight was the issue in his 12th pro fight. He then beat a fighter named Sasakul for his first title. He would again lose for the second time, this time losing his title at the scales before being defeated. Weight again was the issue. Pac I don't think rematched either man who beat him. Pac jumped from 112 to 122. He would beat Nedal hussein at 122 for the WBC belt, and He would beat ledwaba for the IBF belt at 122. Before fighting Barrera, the only fighter we may know of is Agapito Sanchez who we all remember gave Pac a tough, foul filled fight. The fight was a draw as Manny could not continue i believe because of a butt and cut. Barrera would then go on to fight the big 3, Larios, Diaz, and other decent opposition. Barrera debuted in 1989, and did not fight Pac till 2003, Morales debuted in 1993 and did not fight PAc until 2005.

So hum. Looks like you've pretty much plagiarized. Not word for word, but close.

FYI, Juan Marquez's pro debut was in 1993 at age 19. He lost his pro debut by disqualification and would not lose for another 6 years as wikipedia tells us. He beat agapito sanchez along the way. He lost to Norwood in a controversial fight.(I thought Norwood won, my friend Scott9945 says Marquez won). Marquez woud beat Peden, Medina for a title, Gainer, Pinckney(too many losses, but ko lwins over Jones and Espadas Jr.) and would fight Pac to a draw after being down 3 times in the first round(scoring of 10-7 first round probably should give Pac win). Marquez would fight tough comp before a rematch with Pac losing to John in a close fight and beating Salido, Polo, Jandaeng, Jaca, Juarez, and Barrera.

(yawn)

Pac is 29
Marquez is 34
Barrera is 34
Morales is 31

Barrera is just over 4 years older than Pac. Marquez is 4 and a half years older. And Morales is a year and a half older. Really not that much age difference when you think about it. An average of about 3.3 years difference.

Pac has fought a lot of fights too, but the difference is their comp. It just seems to me that Moralesw and Barrera were in with great comp early in their careers, and Pac fought his wars later on in his career. So I ask without any disrespect to Pac...

Pac fought these wars as soon as his body handled the weight. I also find it disingenuous that you will talk about Valero's comp and how people don't know how good it is, but dismiss Pacs early career by suggesting that he didn't have any tough fights till he moved up in weight.

Were Barrera and Morales at their best when they faced PAc, and would you vote Pac as greater than both Barrera and Morales today?

Was Hernandez at his best when he fought Floyd? How about gatti? DLH? Judah? Baldomir? Was Hatton at his best? see, we can play this game all day.


Slobs, don't bother answering. Fight fans, what are your thoughts? Remember, I agree that beating Barrera and Morales were good wins, just not enough for me to rank Pac over either man...YET lol.

In my opinion, p4p Pac rates higher than Barrera, Morales and Marquez.
Oh, and if you don't want a certain element answering you, maybe you shouldn't post it on a public forum. Just a little friendly advice.

[JAB5239]

Chico, castillo, hatton, dlh, hernandez, were all ranked in the top 10 pfp also. I can't quote the author because he is on suspension with me, but I an corner his thinking when others quote him lol. This is fun, thanks boxingscene. Man, I'm about to take my kids to the pool so, I'll be back later lol.

Chico may have been in the lower half. Maybe. Castillo wasn't. Hatton was, but was fighting above his best weight and fell right out after losing. DLH wasn't and Hernandez wasn't. Lmao!! These are sad, blatent lies.

[VIVA MEXICO!!]

Chico may have been in the lower half. Maybe. Castillo wasn't. Hatton was, but was fighting above his best weight and fell right out after losing. DLH wasn't and Hernandez wasn't. Lmao!! These are sad, blatent lies.

corrales was in the top 10 p4p but he did not deserve it. he was way overrated at the time.

[JAB5239]

corrales was in the top 10 p4p but he did not deserve it. he was way overrated at the time.

I don't know, he beat Garcia, Gainer and Manfredy, as well as John Brown and Justin Juuko. Those are were some very respectable names at the time. He may have been a bit overrated, but I'll give credit where credit was due. He's also one of my favorite fighters to watch. A true warrior with a "never say die" attitude. I now Castillo, DLH, Baldomir and Gatti weren't though at the time Floyd fought them. Hatton was, but he had already shown he wasn't comfortable at 147, which he plainly said after the Collazo fight. doesn't matter though, this thread is over. I know I've back most of my opinions up with solid reasoning, and the last part with irrefutable proof. Peace.

[Boofdatruth]

corrales was in the top 10 p4p but he did not deserve it. he was way overrated at the time.

Chico wasn't overrated. Stop lying. Viva, the man said chico might've been ranked in the lower half of the pfp lol. You had to correct him lol. He then says Castillo wasn't ranked pfp. He then says Hernandez wasn't. Does he mean Genaro Hernandez wasn't ever ranked pfp or wasn't ranked pfp when Floyd beat him. You guys forget what you don't want to remember. And Castillo was ranked pfp. The man beat a pfp guy in Stevie Johnson who was ranked pfp. Maybe if you kept it real, I wouldn't have to embarrass you like I did your new friend(JAB slob) who I call a slob. I've utterly embarrassed him on another forum and in this forum for blatant lies. he will lie just to get at floyd fans lol. This shows that you'll make friends with any Floyd hater. It's why nobody respects you Viva. It's the crowd you keep lol.

[VIVA MEXICO!!]

Were J.m.m, Morales And Barrera At Their Best When They Fought Pac...yes/no?

in the first fights definitely. he beat prime barrera 4 years ago and it was a destruction. he lost to prime morales though. morales wasnt the same after that. and jmm was entering his prime in the first fight and he is maybe on the back end of his prime years right now.

mayweather has never beat an elite p4p hall of fame fighter in his prime.

[Boofdatruth]

in the first fights definitely. he beat prime barrera 4 years ago and it was a destruction. he lost to prime morales though. morales wasnt the same after that. and jmm was entering his prime in the first fight and he is maybe on the back end of his prime years right now.

mayweather has never beat an elite p4p hall of fame fighter in his prime.

I can accept your first answers, but they weren't at their best imo. To your opinion on who floyd never beat, we don't know who is or isn't getting into the H.O.F yet. We have to wait a few years for that.

[VIVA MEXICO!!]

I can accept your first answers, but they weren't at their best imo. To your opinion on who floyd never beat, we don't know who is or isn't getting into the H.O.F yet. We have to wait a few years for that.

ok then tell me in what years these great mexican legends were in there primes???

[JAB5239]

ok then tell me in what years these great mexican legends were in there primes???

Primes vary for every fighter. You and I both know these guys were still fighting at an elite level when Pac fought them. Anything that clown says will be a lie as long as it supports his opinion. Im sure you already know that too. Peace.