would you rather have mayweathers career or pacquiao???

[JAB5239]

Lets dig a little bit deeper here. The average age of both Manny and Floyds last 20 opponents is 29.5 years old. Both have won titles in 5 divisions, the average age of Manny's opponents in those title winning efforts was 31.5 years old. That includes Diaz, JMM, MAB, Ledwaba and Sasakul. Floyds numbers were slightly higher with the average age being 32.6 with his wins over Oscar, Baldomir, Gatti, Castillo and Genero Hernandez.

Now personally I don't think the average age differences are significant. But lets put the myth to bed that Floyd has been fighting all prime fighters and Manny has been fighting guys who are shot. That is clearly not the case, and the numbers prove it.

Hear is the thing. Mexican fighters a lot of times start their careers at a very young age As Morales, Barrera and J.M.M have. This destroys any dubious information brought up on age. I don't go by age. I go by ring wars. Any attempt to add up ages in boxing ages is not only a farce, but a disrespect to any fans who knows about Mexican fighters starting at a young age, and you had to have been up all night trying to think of a way to sleeze your way arund boof*******. I'm not interested in Pac and floyd's last 20 fights. Why would I be lol. Find out how old J.M.M, Morales and Barrera were when they started boxing, and check how many wars they were. Ask yourself if they were at their best or in their prime whn they faced Pac, and you have your answer. lol. I must be ahead of my time. lol we are only interested in who made Pac and Floyd's bones, and what condition werethey in. WERE J.M.M, MORALES AND BARRERA AT THEIR BEST WHEN THEY FOUGHT PAC...YES/NO?

Lol, here come the excuses!! When faced with facts, try and twist things, thats Boofs motto.
MAB, Morales and JMM were al p4p rated fighters at least once when Pac fought them. Neither Hernandez, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir or DLH were rated p4p at any time Floyd fought them. THOSE are his championship fights. so ask yourself, were any of those guys at their best when they fought Floyd?
Class is dismissed Boof. I won't bother sayimg OWNED!!! It would be stating the obvious.

[Slotff]

Pacquiao's carreer. When FIGHTFANS talk about throwback fighters in 20-30 years, fighters who just went out there to fight, they are going to mention Pacquiao. When they talk about slick fighters, they will talk about Floyd, but Manny is one of the most exciting fighters of not just today, but of all time.

[Boofdatruth]

Fans, were Barrera, Morales, Hernandez, Dlh, the second J.M.M (version who fought pac), Larios, Baldomir, at their best? They were good wins, but were they at their very best? All of your credibility with me rides on your decision. Because none of you saw the Sasakul-Pac fight so we don't know how good he is unless we get film...NOW lol. Don't say he was good when you don't know who he beat, then tell us who Mosquera beat when Valero beat him. It would be a contradiction lol. I've got the minds cornered. Floyd's fans/objective fans understand what I'm doing lol. Floyd made his bones fighting Chico, Castillo, Judah, and Hatton. Pac made his names beating some good guys, but can you name any other big names besides the worn torn big 3? lol Better yet, who are the prime fighters Pac beat? They don't have to have a big name, just name them. lol

[Boofdatruth]

I haven't gotten any answers yet from Pac fans, so let me ask again. Let me give you Pac fans the first J.M.M version as a prime fighter he beat lol. Were Morales and Barrera at their best when they fought pac... yes/no? Does Pac now need to face someone in their prime like a Valero or even a Soto? Valero first though lol. The kid in me creeps out sometimes lol. I see nothing but old men and hand picked fights in Manny's near future. I see a good fighter who could be overrated worse than any fighter I've ever seen fight possibly. Only time will tell. Answer the question Pac fans. Floyd fans already like Pac. It is you pac fans who don't like floyd. Answer the damn question lol...

[Boofdatruth]

Pacquiao's carreer. When FIGHTFANS talk about throwback fighters in 20-30 years, fighters who just went out there to fight, they are going to mention Pacquiao. When they talk about slick fighters, they will talk about Floyd, but Manny is one of the most exciting fighters of not just today, but of all time.

Do you think Morales and Barrera were at their very best, or still good, but a little bit worn torn...and not at their best?

[Boofdatruth]

Floyd didn't make his bones beating hernandez, baldy or dlh even though many thought dlh could beat him considering they grossed the biggest fight of all times for what 33 year old dlh. We know dlh wasn't at his best, but he put up a good fight and lost. Floyd made his bones deending his title at 130, and beting some very tough guys. Manny has been stopped in 2 fights...none we have seen or know about. Were Barrera and Morales at their best. It's amazing how I can dismiss a man's all night research with the smack of my hand. lol If you fans were a bit more objective instead of 24/7 full time Floyd haters, I might respect ya more lol. but since you aren't... I spit in your face! lol

[Boofdatruth]

Chico, castillo, hatton, dlh, hernandez, were all ranked in the top 10 pfp also. I can't quote the author because he is on suspension with me, but I an corner his thinking when others quote him lol. This is fun, thanks boxingscene. Man, I'm about to take my kids to the pool so, I'll be back later lol.

[JAB5239]

Fans, were Barrera, Morales, Hernandez, Dlh, the second J.M.M (version who fought pac), Larios, Baldomir, at their best? They were good wins, but were they at their very best? All of your credibility with me rides on your decision. Because none of you saw the Sasakul-Pac fight so we don't know how good he is unless we get film...NOW lol. Don't say he was good when you don't know who he beat, then tell us who Mosquera beat when Valero beat him. It would be a contradiction lol. I've got the minds cornered. Floyd's fans/objective fans understand what I'm doing lol. Floyd made his bones fighting Chico, Castillo, Judah, and Hatton. Pac made his names beating some good guys, but can you name any other big names besides the worn torn big 3? lol Better yet, who are the prime fighters Pac beat? They don't have to have a big name, just name them. lol

All you have to do is look at the average age of his opponents to know he's fought plenty of "prime" fighters. He has also beat better fighters than Floyd to win his championships.

What do you consider at "his" best? Was Robinson still at his best after he lost to LaMotta in his 42nd fight? How about Pep? Was he past his best when he got his firstn loss in his 64th fight? When did Harry Greb pass his "best"? Maybe some where between his first 100 fight and his next 50?

And by the way, their is footage of Pac fighting Sasakul at youtube. If you had done a little research you may have known this. Game. Set. Match.

[JAB5239]

Floyd didn't make his bones beating hernandez, baldy or dlh even though many thought dlh could beat him considering they grossed the biggest fight of all times for what 33 year old dlh. We know dlh wasn't at his best, but he put up a good fight and lost. Floyd made his bones deending his title at 130, and beting some very tough guys. Manny has been stopped in 2 fights...none we have seen or know about. Were Barrera and Morales at their best. It's amazing how I can dismiss a man's all night research with the smack of my hand. lol If you fans were a bit more objective instead of 24/7 full time Floyd haters, I might respect ya more lol. but since you aren't... I spit in your face! lol

Must be tough to spit in someones face from the curb I just kicked you to.

[JAB5239]

All you have to do is look at the average age of his opponents to know he's fought plenty of "prime" fighters. He has also beat better fighters than Floyd to win his championships.

What do you consider at "his" best? Was Robinson still at his best after he lost to LaMotta in his 42nd fight? How about Pep? Was he past his best when he got his firstn loss in his 64th fight? When did Harry Greb pass his "best"? Maybe some where between his first 100 fight and his next 50?

And by the way, their is footage of Pac fighting Sasakul at youtube. If you had done a little research you may have known this. Game. Set. Match.

Just for ****s and giggles I checked out when MAB, Morales a JMM started their career.

Barrera started his career in late 1989. Sounds like a long time until you take into consideration that after his first loss to Pac he fought 8 more times and beat such names as Pualie Ayala, a "prime" Rocky Jaurez, Robbie Pedan, and took the 126 title from Eric Morales who would later go on to beat Manny. His last two fights were losses to Pacquiao again and Juan Manuel Marquez, both who happened to be top 10 p4p fighters.


Eric Morales started his career in March of 1993. Had a total of two more fights than Manny. Had only lost to Barrera and beat Pacquiao before moving up a weight class and losing to Zahir Raheem. Came back down to 130 and was subsequently ko'd in his next two fight with Manny. Tried going back to lightweight only to lose a close UD to David Diaz, who in turn Manny just decimated. Morales had been on every p4p list right up till his first loss to Pacman.

Jaun Manuel Marquez started his career halfway thru 1993 and was seen as somewhat of a hidden gem due to bad managments failure to secure big fights. His first fight With Manny didn't disappoint as the two fought to a draw and Marquez showed his p4p skills. He was offered a rematch but declined, demanding more money. He went on to lose to Chris John in a somewhat controversial fight in Indonesia. He came back and rattled off a couple quick wins before taking Barrera's 130 title in 2007. He then beat the "prime" Rocky Jaurez to set up the Pacquiao rematch which he lost by close split decision, proving once again why he is considered one of the p4p elite.

Manny Pacquiao started his career in 1995. Just over 5 years after Barrera. Less than 2 years after Morales, and a year and a half after Marquez. You can clearly see none of the previous 3 were grossly out of their primes when fighting Pacquiao with the exception of the 3rd Morales fight.
Pac started at 106 pounds and moved up to 112 to take a title from catchai Sasakul who was 33-1 at the time. He lost that title a few fights later to Medgoen Singsurat who was 18-0 at the time and sports a 57-5 (41) today. He then went to the 122 pound division a ko'd Lehlohonolo Ledwaba for the super bantamweight title. bHe defendede that 5 times before going to 126 and taking the lineal title from Marco Antonio Barrera. I think we all pretty much know the rest from there.

Along the way Pac fought such names as Sasakul, Ledwaba,Singsurat, Hussien, Sanchez, Jorge Elicier Julio, Barrera, 3Kbattery, Marquez, Morales and David Diaz.