Taylor chavez, this still makes me sick

[machotime]

GUESS WHAT EVERYONE, IF TAYLOR WOULD HAVE ANSWERED THE ****ING REFEREE, STEELE WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED THE FIGHT.


Sorry for shouting, but I cannot believe how many people are/were outraged by that. You have to answer the referee. I don't care if there's one second on the clock.

^^I share this sentiment

There is no difference between a fighter that is on the canvas, and one who cant answer the referee

[Scott9945]

It wasnt a robbery, and it shouldnt matter how much time was left on the clock, Taylor was kocked out on his feet and he failed to respond to the referee that he wanted to continue. What is the difference between that and staying on the canvas?

Well the difference is that you can't fight when you are on the canvas, but you can fight when you are standing and holding your hands up. Many fighters have been allowed to continue in much worse shape, and it wasn't the final seconds of the fight either. Of course it matters how much time is left.

[Vasyl’s dad]

GUESS WHAT EVERYONE, IF TAYLOR WOULD HAVE ANSWERED THE ****ING REFEREE, STEELE WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED THE FIGHT.


Sorry for shouting, but I cannot believe how many people are/were outraged by that. You have to answer the referee. I don't care if there's one second on the clock.

I'm gonna pop my cherry and say it,

Plain and Basic Common Sense.


Its incredibly funny how many times such a simple concept has to be explained. I'm surprised Taylor wasn't disqualified for Duva jumping up on the apron like a maniac. Why was he even up there?

[machotime]

Well the difference is that you can't fight when you are on the canvas, but you can fight when you are standing and holding your hands up. Many fighters have been allowed to continue in much worse shape, and it wasn't the final seconds of the fight either. Of course it matters how much time is left.

If you cant answer the Ref then you cant fight and that means that you are knocked out on your feet....

And just because other fighters have been allowed to fight in much worse shape does not mean that it was OK... The ref's job was to ensure the fighter's safety.... he did just that

[roundingace]

Steele KNEW how how much time was left as the corner flasher was going off right in front of his face indicating that there was 10 seconds left in the God damn fight. All this, "he didn't answer, he would of been killed, blah blah blah" needs to stop. The man fought his heart out and layed everything he had on JCC that night and was 5 seconds from doing what nobody else thought he could do - what no man has ever done to JCC to that point - and that was beat the legend. I feel for Taylor since, I agree, he was never the same fighter after that and subsequently faded into the night. But to deny that man his place as being the first man to dethrone JCC is downright sad and I think Steele did it intentionally. I am a big fan of JCC too, but that was, IMO, the worst call by a ref in boxing history.

[Thread Stealer]

You do realize this fight ruined Taylor both physically and mentally. He was never the same, drooling and slurred talking. His camp refused to train him, he had to hire all new people. Taylor didn't even really get as upset has he should have, dude didn't respond, and Richard Steele is not the time keeper.

You do realize that there is more to this than what you watched on Legendary Nights, right?

Taylor went on to move up in weight and win a world title at 147 against undefeated Aaron Davis.

This was with Lou Duva. Duva was in Taylor's corner for Taylor's 2 losses in 1992 against Terry Norris (lousy management choice) and his loss to mandatory Cristano Espana. This was 7 fights and 2 years after Chavez I. It was after the loss to Espana on Halloween night in 1992 when Duva decided he'd had enough of working with Taylor.

He said "I've had it, I wouldn't put him in there with a 4 rounder, because it could just take one punch".

Taylor was hurt by this and split from Duva. Two years later, he fought Chavez again, and started off well, but his legs left him in the brutal 6th round, and was done 2 rounds later.

Listen to his speech then. Maybe slightly diminished from earlier, but nowhere near as it became later on.

From numerous tough fights, and probably a ton of vicious sparring sessions. Philly ain't exactly a town for light sparring sessions. And Taylor's not exactly someone who's easy to picture going at it light in sparring.

[ferocity]

Who ever doubts the stoppage. And what a great fighter can do with a few seconds read what is below or look it up at boxrec .com

1989-03-23 118 Fred Hernandez 118 7-1-0

Irvine, California, United States W UD 8 8 Wiki
Behind on points, Tapia spectacularly flattens Hernandez with three seconds remaining. An unconscious Hernandez is saved by the bell, but knockdown turns the verdict.

[Scott9945]

If you cant answer the Ref then you cant fight and that means that you are knocked out on your feet....

And just because other fighters have been allowed to fight in much worse shape does not mean that it was OK... The ref's job was to ensure the fighter's safety.... he did just that

Answering the ref isn't the ultimate criteria. Anyone watching that knew there was tremendous crowd noise and Taylor's trainer distracting him. Chavez fans just want to protect his legend and not acknowledge that he was the second best fighter that night. Taylor's safety wasn't in jeopardy because he wouldn't have been hit again.

[poeticlsykuac]

You do realize that there is more to this than what you watched on Legendary Nights, right?

Taylor went on to move up in weight and win a world title at 147 against undefeated Aaron Davis.

This was with Lou Duva. Duva was in Taylor's corner for Taylor's 2 losses in 1992 against Terry Norris (lousy management choice) and his loss to mandatory Cristano Espana. This was 7 fights and 2 years after Chavez I. It was after the loss to Espana on Halloween night in 1992 when Duva decided he'd had enough of working with Taylor.

He said "I've had it, I wouldn't put him in there with a 4 rounder, because it could just take one punch".

Taylor was hurt by this and split from Duva. Two years later, he fought Chavez again, and started off well, but his legs left him in the brutal 6th round, and was done 2 rounds later.

Listen to his speech then. Maybe slightly diminished from earlier, but nowhere near as it became later on.

From numerous tough fights, and probably a ton of vicious sparring sessions. Philly ain't exactly a town for light sparring sessions. And Taylor's not exactly someone who's easy to picture going at it light in sparring.

I didn't say it was an immediate split bro. They did give him a some more fights and yes he had some success but he was never the same(Duva said what he said). That is what I am saying. The fact is Chavez ruined him, he started his down fall. He put the damage on him that continued to snowball into a obviously much larger problem for later in his career. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME! Mentally and physically that fight took a lot from him.

[poeticlsykuac]

Answering the ref isn't the ultimate criteria. Anyone watching that knew there was tremendous crowd noise and Taylor's trainer distracting him. Chavez fans just want to protect his legend and not acknowledge that he was the second best fighter that night. Taylor's safety wasn't in jeopardy because he wouldn't have been hit again.

Dude Steele is not nor will he ever be the time keeper, he isn't counting the seconds, it isn't his job. His job is to make sure the fighter is safe, and it is a fair fight. I thought Meldrick Taylor put on a clinic that night, fought literally the fight of his life. He made Chavez look completely one dimensional. However, if the stoppage wouldn't have been 2 seconds from ending this wouldn't even be a argument because it was obvious he was not fit for fighting. He couldn't even communicate that he was ok(nod, yes, move his hands), what is the ref suppose to say, ok go over and fight even though you didn't say you wanted to or couldn't say you wanted to.

Again when the fight was initially stopped he didn't look upset till the bell rang, plain and simple, he was fine with it till he realized he would have won if he would have went for 2 seconds longer. Taylor took a serious beating that night, if you can't acknowledge that if it was one round sooner he would have lost then you have no reason for this.

This is boxing these are not circumstances, people can be killed in the ring, if you see a boxer can't communicate don't let him fight.