Calzaghe Haters: What Is It You Don't Like?

[abadger]

His last performance was dissappointing, I have seen him fight better but what makes me suspect was his competition.

He is a lot of Hype

Is his competition that much worse than Jones' and Hopkins'?

[fightingfigs]

yes it is........................

[C.Y.]

OK, certainly there were better fights out there for Calzaghe, but do you think it is fair to blame him exclusively for these fights not happening, and when you criticise his record can you really say that you subject those of his peers to the same scrutiny?

A simple example: right now it is Calzaghe, not Hopkins or Jones or even a younger American who is the top P4P guy. Clearly he had something going for him all along. Sure, he has some names missing from his resume, but his is missing from theirs too. Shouldn't they have had to fight Joe to 'prove themselves' in their prime? It sure looks now like he would have been one of the toughest opponents they could have fought. Another example, how come when Hopkins moved up from MW he skipped Joe's division? See what I'm saying, it works both ways.

Likewise, what about the quality of names on their resumes? Are the ones on Bernard Hopkins's that good really? On Jones's? Even on Toney's? If all the middling names on these guys resumes were switched with Calzaghe's, would there really be that much difference?

yeah i see what you're saying but at least with the names listed toney, jones, hopkins, etc, they atleast fought eachother.. Why didnt Joe come to the U.S. to fight them?? Winky Wright had like a 5 year tour in Europe.. He didnt make any effort to fight these guys.. Like i stated earlier I dont think Joe is entirely at fault for fighting weak opposition but i dont think he went out of his way to fight elite fighters. If you compare Bernard's and Roy's resume to Calzaghes it is more impressive.. and no disrespect to Joe and his skills but i honestly do not think he could handle a prime roy jones or bernard hopkins..

[fightingfigs]

mainly an old Hopkins dropped him and put up a decent fight.

I was expecting a demolishing win by Calzaghe but it didnt happen which makes me think fighters like Taylor who beat Hopkins more convincingly are just as good if not better than Calzaghe

[Left Hook Tua]

An example:

Calzaghes best 3 wins:

Eubank, Hopkins, Kessler

Toneys best 3 wins:

Nunn, Barkley, Jirov

Jones's bets 3 wins:

Hopkins, Toney, Ruiz

Hopkins best 3 wins:

Trinidad, Tarver, Winky (arguable)

The difference is really not that huge

i thought mitchell was a good win. he's better than lacy imo. you brits talks about lacy and kessler but forget mitchell. you guys talk about lacy so much i totally forgot about byron. ppl mention manfredo more than byron for god's sake. mitchell at one point was #3 by the RING at 168 behind only sven and joe.

hopkins is somewhat overrated imo. the middle division was weak during his reign. his best wins were against trinidad , delahoya and tarver. tito and golden were natural welters. tarver is the most overrated fighter the last 5 years or so! tarver is a good fighter nothing more.

jones has the best resume of the 3. everyone cracks at the weak 175 but no more weaker than 160 and 168. he beat everyone at 175 except dariusz "i will only fight in front of german judges" michalczewski.

[abadger]

i thought mitchell was a good win. he's better than lacy imo. you brits talks about lacy and kessler but forget mitchell. you guys talk about lacy so much i totally forgot about byron. ppl mention manfredo more than byron for god's sake. mitchell at one point was #3 by the RING at 168 behind only sven and joe.

hopkins is somewhat overrated imo. the middle division was weak during his reign. his best wins were against trinidad , delahoya and tarver. tito and golden were natural welters. tarver is the most overrated fighter the last 5 years or so! tarver is a good fighter nothing more.

jones has the best resume of the 3. everyone cracks at the weak 175 but no more weaker than 160 and 168. he beat everyone at 175 except dariusz "i will only fight in front of german judges" michalczewski.

I leave out Mitchell because I expect people not to know who he is. Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Woodhall and Reid were all highly ranked by Ring during Joe's reign, but this is simply forgotten now.

[Jim Jeffries]

i thought mitchell was a good win. he's better than lacy imo. you brits talks about lacy and kessler but forget mitchell. you guys talk about lacy so much i totally forgot about byron. ppl mention manfredo more than byron for god's sake. mitchell at one point was #3 by the RING at 168 behind only sven and joe.

hopkins is somewhat overrated imo. the middle division was weak during his reign. his best wins were against trinidad , delahoya and tarver. tito and golden were natural welters. tarver is the most overrated fighter the last 5 years or so! tarver is a good fighter nothing more.

jones has the best resume of the 3. everyone cracks at the weak 175 but no more weaker than 160 and 168. he beat everyone at 175 except dariusz "i will only fight in front of german judges" michalczewski.

Michalczewski only needed those judges 3 times out of his 24 straight title defenses, the other 21 he put to sleep.

[Left Hook Tua]

yeah i see what you're saying but at least with the names listed toney, jones, hopkins, etc, they atleast fought eachother.. Why didnt Joe come to the U.S. to fight them?? Winky Wright had like a 5 year tour in Europe.. He didnt make any effort to fight these guys.. Like i stated earlier I dont think Joe is entirely at fault for fighting weak opposition but i dont think he went out of his way to fight elite fighters. If you compare Bernard's and Roy's resume to Calzaghes it is more impressive.. and no disrespect to Joe and his skills but i honestly do not think he could handle a prime roy jones or bernard hopkins..

the best 168 guys a few years back were in europe , i.e. joe , sven , beyer , larsen , etc. the best american 168 was byron mitchell and joe beat him.

hopkins wasn't leaving 160. he didn't leave 160 'til taylor beat him.

roy-joe would've been good. but i don't think there was any money in the fight in the u.s. roy was killing everyone at 175. i doubt they would've thought much of joe's chances as an unknown (in america) brit jumping up a weight class. plus roy didn't want to fight outside the u.s. can't blame him after the SEOUL debacle.

[bsrizpac]

That is just one guy, probably the most extreme of all calzaghe fans, and certainly one of the funniest. I saw that "African Americans are immune to heat" post, and I'm pretty sure he was joking.

Even if he wasn't, you can't just take what you think is the worst example of a Calzaghe fan and apply it to everyone. What about posters like KrisSilver and Clegg and an absolute ton of others who all like Calzaghe but really contribute to the forum with lots of interesting and thoughtful posts?

Ricky: Hatton will TKO Mayweather in 10 rounds.

Ricky: I never said Hatton would KO Mayweather.

Me: Provides link.

Ricky: *Ignore user, hope thread goes away*

Ricky: Mayweather is a bum.

I could keep going but I think as usual you missed my point.

[Left Hook Tua]

Michalczewski only needed those judges 3 times out of his 24 straight title defenses, the other 21 he put to sleep.

not dumping on dariusz. but it's a fact he didn't want to fight roy in the u.s.

of course he'll fight anyone at 175 anywhere not named roy. dariusz was very good he had nothing to fear about anyone else. i know the blame for the fight not happening is on both......but as a biased roy boy , i'd like to blame dariusz.