what is the difference between calzaghe ducking pavlik and mayweather ducking cotto??

[Boofdatruth]

I know Shane is an older guy, 36 yes I know, Okay? Who has Floyd beaten that is considered his equal, everyone he has faced I felt he could beat.

People had doubts about him beating Chico, and beating Castillo in the rematch. The fight we thought would be a tough fight, wasn't, and the fight we thought wouldn't be as tough turned out to be a whole lot tougher. Those guys were ranked pfp. Dlh and Shane gave floyd and cotto tough fights, and both learned a lot in those fights.

[Boofdatruth]

hatton looked like trash at welterweight against a weak fighter. pavlik fought at 166 against taylor and looked good. i dont think pavlik should fight over 168 right now and calzage is a coward if he wont come down to make the fight.

Cheap opinion from a cheap minded poster. The 175 lb champ should come down in weight. lol If Pav issues a challenge, why not fight the old man at his weight?

[Boofdatruth]

hatton looked like trash at welterweight against a weak fighter. pavlik fought at 166 against taylor and looked good. i dont think pavlik should fight over 168 right now and calzage is a coward if he wont come down to make the fight.

Funny, people said the same thing about margs when he lost to santos. They called santos weak too.

[Fox McCloud]

Cheap opinion from a cheap minded poster. The 175 lb champ should come down in weight. lol If Pav issues a challenge, why not fight the old man at his weight?

The problem is... Calzaghe is still the 168 champ... if Calzaghe ever does fight at 168 again, this will kind of be a sore spot, because Pavlik is the tougher fight than Jones right now, no doubt about it.

[Boofdatruth]

The problem is... Calzaghe is still the 168 champ... if Calzaghe ever does fight at 168 again, this will kind of be a sore spot, because Pavlik is the tougher fight than Jones right now, no doubt about it.

I can only go by ehere Cal is fighting at now. Asking an older fighter to come down in weight when he DIDN'T issue the challenge to the young guy is a bit fiendish wouldn't you say? lol They want Pav to fight Cal at a catch weight. Will Cal's title be on the line? They want Pav to fight Mora, Rubio, or even a Williams. Fight Abraham. Abraham said his name.

[MANGLER]

At WW, the division ruled by PBF, Cotto has established himself as the #1 contender. As a true champ, PBF shoulda fought him. Pavlik is the MW champ. Joe C is the champ at 168 and 175. He don't have to prove **** against Pavlik yet cuz Pavlik ain't a contender in either of his divisions. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Pavlik get his shot at Calzaghe at 168. But the onus ain't as big on Joe to face Kelly at 168 as it was for PBF to face Cotto at 147. Joe can retire without fightin Kelly and it wouldn't phase his legacy. The fact that PBF retired (at least for now) without fightin Cotto (or Marg if he beats Miguel) takes some of the shine off his legacy tho.

[ElGranLuchador]

difference is calzaghe hasnt ducked anyone while mayweather is known for ducking
i remember ppl were saying calzaghe was ducking bhop hahaa
wait till joe defeats roy jones and then if he doesnt fight palik i think u could call it ducking

[Clegg]

I would say that the situations are very similar. I suppose their is an outside chance that both fights will happen, but as it stands I would say that both have chosen not to fight their toughest possible opponent. Champions should fight the best.

This matchup has always had me a bit confused...

Calzaghe has been having a lot of trouble making 168 in his latter fights. They mentioned it in the Lacy fight, and have mentioned it in almost every 168 fight after. On the other hand, Pavlik is a big MW, but they have never mentioned him having trouble.

I'm guessing that it's because of age. DLH and a few others would have to work a lot harder to make their old weight divisions than they used to.

hatton looked like trash at welterweight against a weak fighter. pavlik fought at 166 against taylor and looked good. i dont think pavlik should fight over 168 right now and calzage is a coward if he wont come down to make the fight.

Isn't it weird how so many "cowards" become professional boxers, yet the really brave guys end up talking crap on the internet? Weird...

Anyway, Hatton looked bad against a genuine Welterweight, whereas Pavlik was fighting against someone whom he had already beaten at Middleweight. That makes a big difference; I'm sure Hatton could beaten Carlos Maussa at 147 and look good doing it.

neither were hopkins and tarver. educate yourself.

Neither were Hopkins and Calzaghe......

oops.

You two seem to be a bit confused. The question is comparing Calzaghe-Pavlik and Mayweather-Cotto, not Calzaghe-Pavlik and Calzaghe-Hopkins or Hopkins-Tarver.

[S.W.F.C]

People wanna say JC is fighting Jones because it's less risk. Yet as I stated in a thread yesterday, what will be worse for Joe's legacy - losing to Jones or losing to Pavlik? Seems clear cut that the fight with Jones poses a greater risk with less reward for his legacy in that, if he beats Jones, everyone will say he was old and washed up, yadda, yadda. BUT - should he lose to Jones, yeah, JC's legacy will never be the same. Now, should he lose to Pavlik, well, he's a young undefeated fighter in his prime and a very hard puncher. So it really wouldn't be a shame or a hit to his legacy. If he BEATS Pavlik, well then his legacy is in stone. So, based off of these examples, Kelly Pavlik makes more sense of a last fight for JC because the fight with RJJ carries more risk for a little reward.

Too right, I see many of the turds have over looked this post.

[Boofdatruth]

At WW, the division ruled by PBF, Cotto has established himself as the #1 contender. As a true champ, PBF shoulda fought him. Pavlik is the MW champ. Joe C is the champ at 168 and 175. He don't have to prove **** against Pavlik yet cuz Pavlik ain't a contender in either of his divisions. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Pavlik get his shot at Calzaghe at 168. But the onus ain't as big on Joe to face Kelly at 168 as it was for PBF to face Cotto at 147. Joe can retire without fightin Kelly and it wouldn't phase his legacy. The fact that PBF retired (at least for now) without fightin Cotto (or Marg if he beats Miguel) takes some of the shine off his legacy tho.

If the shine is taken off of his legacy, it won't be because of cotto. It will be because he retired while people still considered him great and able to fight.