Nutrionists: Are they good for boxing?

[Red_Menace]

A nutritionist will know how to eat lean while keeping energy and muscle building protein high. Of course, if a boxer needs to cut weight very quickly the only thing a nutritionist is going to be able to do is get them to cut calories, which will probably leave the fighter a little weak. But they'd probably do a better job of it then the fighter doing it on their own, which is still beneficial. And if the fighter is in the ring and can't compete under those circumstances, then that's the fighters fault for being in the wrong weight class or falling out of shape between fights.


To me, this is a contradiction and I'm not trying to be funny. Changing your diet alone regardless of how you digest food isn't beneficial to a boxer.

Sorry, but those things are not a contradiction. If a fighter is too far overweight shortly before a fight, or if a fighter is trying to fight in a weight class they don't belong in, and they ask a nutritionist to help them out, the only option they'll have is cutting calories. If the fighter were to try to do it themselves, the only option they'd have is cutting calories. The difference being, a nutritionist will come up with a better food plan that will have less negative side effects than the plan the fighter would come up with on their own.

[Boofdatruth]

A good nutritionist should know these things. I think that is the point a couple other people are trying to make. With that knowledge they should be able to compose a diet plan that would be more beneficial than if the fighter were to do it alone or with trainers (who aren't as qualified as a nutritionist).

Good post. I couldn't agree anymore. The other guys were saying basically asking, " does eating right hurts a boxer"!!?? It is more complicated than that. You are changing your daily diet and how your body works when you change your diet. You are eating foods that does not take long to digest when you need to lose weight. As a boxer, you need food that takes a bit longer to digest because that is your fuel. If you ever hear me say a nutritionist is bad, shoot me. lol

[STEELHEAD]

I do not think nutrionists are good for boxers losing weight. You are not eating the types of foods that help you hold your muscle. You are eating foods that help you lose weight, and not food that gives you energy. How many times have we seen a fighter say they had a good nutritionist, and get destroyed? Chico, Miranda, tarver amongst many. When you need s nutritionist, something is wrong. They say a better diet in boxing than using a nutritionist is just eating very little of the same thing you always ate, and don't blow up between fights.

If you are a fighter who does stay around your fighting weight, a nutritionist can d He can pack that muscle on. How can you pack on muscle for boxing when you are gaining and losing something? If you are a fighter who needs a nutritionist coming down a lot of weight ala antonio tarver, look how flat he looked against b-hop. I never liked nutritionists in boxing, because they don't feed you the energy food you need. I was reminded ofhttp://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3658810#post3658810 that last night seeing Miranda. He looked cut to many, but he looked weak and skinny to me. I"m an AA fan, and i saw how he reacted to those shots. He did not react well. Hatton is a hard worker who from what i hear loses a lot of weight, but does not use a nutritionist. I could be wrong. Boxers don't need more nutritionists, the need more dedication.

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[Boofdatruth]

Sorry, but those things are not a contradiction. If a fighter is too far overweight shortly before a fight, or if a fighter is trying to fight in a weight class they don't belong in, and they ask a nutritionist to help them out, the only option they'll have is cutting calories. If the fighter were to try to do it themselves, the only option they'd have is cutting calories. The difference being, a nutritionist will come up with a better food plan that will have less negative side effects than the plan the fighter would come up with on their own.

I can go with that.

[Red_Menace]

In boxing, you need long term energy. Short term diets can not help a fighter in a long, grinding fight. Now if boxers used a nutritionist for 6 months instead of 6 weeks, they could be very beneficial. 6-8 weeks is too short a time. I never said nutritionists are bad. They get the job done, but leave the boxer short on energy. Your body needs a long time to get used to the amount of weight that is lost. Wreck brought up a great example. Roy Jones got down in weight to fight tarver. He won, but had no energy. The rematch he used a nutritionist to keep his weight down and he lost by quick ko. He used a nutritionist for the third fight, and had more time to get used to his regimin, and felt a whole lot better and lasted 12. And even then he said he lacked the energy to keep up what he was doing for all 12. Check the last 6 rounds in that fight, he had no energy.

I agree with everything you said, but I'm not sure how any of that proves nutritionists are not beneficial. Any professional athlete should eat properly all of the time, and I'd think they'd seriously consider the advice of a professional nutritionist. They are not more or less beneficial for particular sports or types of people. Eating right is important for everyone, athlete or not. Roy Jones had to lose a lot of weight and it was muscle. That's why he was tired. That is very very taxing on the body. If he and his trainers didn't feel he'd be able to lose the without the guidance of a proper nutritionist then he made the right choice in hiring one. The fact that he didn't feel as good as he had previously doesn't mean the nutritionist was not beneficial.

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I'll clarify this a little by addressing this ("They get the job done, but leave the boxer short on energy.") directly. Nutritionists do not leave boxers short on energy, cutting weight does. If you have to cut weight a nutritionist will help you do that the best way possible. A nutritionist is not the reason a fighter would be short on energy.

[Boofdatruth]

I agree with everything you said, but I'm not sure how any of that proves nutritionists are not beneficial. Any professional athlete should eat properly all of the time, and I'd think they'd seriously consider the advice of a professional nutritionist. They are not more or less beneficial for particular sports or types of people. Eating right is important for everyone, athlete or not. Roy Jones had to lose a lot of weight and it was muscle. That's why he was tired. That is very very taxing on the body. If he and his trainers didn't feel he'd be able to lose the without the guidance of a proper nutritionist then he made the right choice in hiring one. The fact that he didn't feel as good as he had previously doesn't mean the nutritionist was not beneficial.

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I'll clarify this a little by addressing this ("They get the job done, but leave the boxer short on energy.") directly. Nutritionists do not leave boxers short on energy, cutting weight does. If you have to cut weight a nutritionist will help you do that the best way possible. A nutritionist is not the reason a fighter would be short on energy.

You make a very good argument. The results are what I'm trying to reason with. Boxers aren't blaming the nutritionists. They are just telling us how they felt during and after the fight. Many boxers have said they did not feel right after losing a fight. This can not be discounted. Changing your diet for a few weeks can hurt a fighter too is my point. It takes longer to digest beef or lamb than fish. Many boxers eat fish, vegetables or all sorts, and drink as rid**** bowe once said, maggot juice. This is a big change in your diet. The fighter IS to blame when he lets himself go to high in weight, and has to ask a nutritionist to help him lose. It is the fighters fault. But if he says he didn't feel right, what am I supposed to say? I have to consider any and everything he said.

[STEELHEAD]

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You make a very good argument. The results are what I'm trying to reason with. Boxers aren't blaming the nutritionists. They are just telling us how they felt during and after the fight. Many boxers have said they did not feel right after losing a fight. This can not be discounted. Changing your diet for a few weeks can hurt a fighter too is my point. It takes longer to digest beef or lamb than fish. Many boxers eat fish, vegetables or all sorts, and drink as rid**** bowe once said, maggot juice. This is a big change in your diet. The fighter IS to blame when he lets himself go to high in weight, and has to ask a nutritionist to help him lose. It is the fighters fault. But if he says he didn't feel right, what am I supposed to say? I have to consider any and everything he said.

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[Rafael Benitez]

Fatty does have a dietician. Your evidence is all anecdotal. I think most fighter shave some sort of food program or another. Even if it from their trainer it is still some kind of nutritionist. There are so many theories on diet, that I say the best thing is try everything out and see what works best for you. For me it is a combination of Ali's natural foods diet, combined with the fruit grazing thoery employed by the Gracie clan. Natrual foods can never go wrong. The paleonthilic diet is also good, and kinda the same thing without whole grains.

Nutrition is important, but I think you do have a point that some of them are full of ****. go with the old school wisdom rather than too much scientific crap such as low-gi, high protein and other such gimmicks.

Back to the original post, eating smaller amounts of what you normally eat is just another nutrition plan!
My advice is eat as much natural foods as possible, never touch fried stuff and spread out your meals. They are the basics which have worked at Valencia and Liverpool FC.

[STEELHEAD]

Fatty does have a dietician. Your evidence is all anecdotal. I think most fighter shave some sort of food program or another. Even if it from their trainer it is still some kind of nutritionist. There are so many theories on diet, that I say the best thing is try everything out and see what works best for you. For me it is a combination of Ali's natural foods diet, combined with the fruit grazing thoery employed by the Gracie clan. Natrual foods can never go wrong. The paleonthilic diet is also good, and kinda the same thing without whole grains.

Nutrition is important, but I think you do have a point that some of them are full of ****. go with the old school wisdom rather than too much scientific crap such as low-gi, high protein and other such gimmicks.

Back to the original post, eating smaller amounts of what you normally eat is just another nutrition plan!
My advice is eat as much natural foods as possible, never touch fried stuff and spread out your meals. They are the basics which have worked at Valencia and Liverpool FC.

yes... and you seem hep enough to no that many play around with diretics like the furosimides i takes for my heart. instant results ,light headedness. i swear i've seen boxers come in struggling to make weight then give tired performance because of diretics(water pills) si.

[Rafael Benitez]

yes... and you seem hep enough to no that many play around with diretics like the furosimides i takes for my heart. instant results ,light headedness. i swear i've seen boxers come in struggling to make weight then give tired performance because of diretics(water pills) si.

I know what they are. Drug abuse is no good, and I would not advocate the use of substances or even 'legal' supplements like creatine and even ZMA! Best way is natural foods. Drying out when you have weigh in on same day is a bad idea. People do not realise that world title fights they have 24 hours to recover, so even natural drying out is risky. I agree with you 100%. Avoid dehydration. It is bound to affect their performances. That is why paying attention to nutrition is essential. I've always found eating right to help my weight control. If you give yourself an inch you usually take a yard (and a cheeseburger too).