Some Questions About Roy Jones Jr.

[BALLISTIC]

its always safer moving up than moving down....most guys that moves up dont get KTFO like most guys who moves down....

[Towelie]

I agree that the massive amounts of weight loss had a serious adverse effect on him, particularly since it was so late in his career. But until he gets in with a serious challenge, how can you know? He hasn't been in with a top-ranked fighter in a long time, since Tarver. Declaring him to be back to his best is a stretch since he hasn't been tested since.

Let him do something along the lines of when Barrera came back and whipped Morales in the third fight, then we can talk a little more about that.

Do you not realize he just recently beat Tito Trinidad with ease. Geez you people talk about him like hes human.

[Fozz1]

[QUOTE=Silencers;3647567]1 - How many years did the weight loss take off of his career?

I don't think he recovered until the third Tarver fight, but he was too scared to open up.

2 - Instead of going to light heavy, could he have went to Cruiser and been the undisputed champ, and beat Bell or Mormeck or Vassily Jirov, who I believe was the champ at the time?

Fights at cruiserweight probably would have helped him because he would have been able to gradually move back down to 175, a fight between him and Jirov at the time would have been very interesting.

He would have beaten all of these guys but to what end? the cruiser division as good as it is, doesnt carry the same weight in name as the LH and heavies, would have just been another belt in a fifth weight class - but i suppose the same argument can be made for the Ruiz fight, why not a top heavy?
3 - Could he have beaten another heavyweight at the time?

I think he could have beaten the likes of Byrd, Toney or Holyfield. The smaller heavyweights.

Agreed, there was even some talk of a Tyson bout, who he would have beat as well - but the big guys ie Lewis, Wlad and Vitali could have been a different story

4 - Did the weight loss make his chin weaker and sap his legs which led to the trio of losses?

Definitely, I'm not sure about the third Tarver fight though because he just looked scared to open himself up but when he did, he looked pretty good.

If you watch the fifth round he had Tarver gone with an uppercut/hook combo, Tarver just slumped into the ropes, but Roy wouldnt go in for the kill

5 - Does Jones finally feel the way he used to feel now that he has gotten his weight back in check, or is the damage of the weight loss already finished him?
And if not, what kind of shot do you give him against Calzaghe?

[B]Even though I think he has recovered, I don't think he has fully recovered and his legs don't look the same as they used to be. I don't think he's finished but he's definitely not the same.

I give him a chance against Calzaghe but I wouldn't bet on him.

I give Roy a massive chance, i think he's still too fast and strong if he chooses to be, I dont think he's much different physically, a bit older, i think its all in his head, he got caught twice and it ****ed his confidence, much like after Tyson got KO'd for the first time, he was never the same, fighters went into the fights with him thinking they could win, not all did but they were not as afraid of him - Holyfield perfect example.

The Trinidad fight might have been just what rjj needed for one last run, if he has the confidence that he had for the ruiz fight and back, he could very well wipe the floor with calzaghe imo - but he has to have his head right

[Silencers]

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2 - Instead of going to light heavy, could he have went to Cruiser and been the undisputed champ, and beat Bell or Mormeck or Vassily Jirov, who I believe was the champ at the time?

Fights at cruiserweight probably would have helped him because he would have been able to gradually move back down to 175, a fight between him and Jirov at the time would have been very interesting.

He would have beaten all of these guys but to what end? the cruiser division as good as it is, doesnt carry the same weight in name as the LH and heavies, would have just been another belt in a fifth weight class - but i suppose the same argument can be made for the Ruiz fight, why not a top heavy?

5 - Does Jones finally feel the way he used to feel now that he has gotten his weight back in check, or is the damage of the weight loss already finished him?
And if not, what kind of shot do you give him against Calzaghe?

[B]Even though I think he has recovered, I don't think he has fully recovered and his legs don't look the same as they used to be. I don't think he's finished but he's definitely not the same.

I give him a chance against Calzaghe but I wouldn't bet on him.

I give Roy a massive chance, i think he's still too fast and strong if he chooses to be, I dont think he's much different physically, a bit older, i think its all in his head, he got caught twice and it ****ed his confidence, much like after Tyson got KO'd for the first time, he was never the same, fighters went into the fights with him thinking they could win, not all did but they were not as afraid of him - Holyfield perfect example.

The Trinidad fight might have been just what rjj needed for one last run, if he has the confidence that he had for the ruiz fight and back, he could very well wipe the floor with calzaghe imo - but he has to have his head right

He could have went to cruiserweight as a way of getting back down to light heavyweight without having to lose the weight as drastically as he did while collecting another belt along the way.

His mind can be right for the Calzaghe fight but if his body doesn't respond the way he wants it to, he'll be in trouble.

I'm also not really sure of him beating Tyson but Tyson was pretty over the hill at that point and I wouldn't have put it past Jones to beat him.

I agree with the rest of what you posted.

[Pullcounter]

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1 - How many years did the weight loss take off of his career?

IMHO he could've remained undefeated if he picked the right fights at HW and cruiserweight.

2 - Instead of going to light heavy, could he have went to Cruiser and been the undisputed champ, and beat Bell or Mormeck or Vassily Jirov, who I believe was the champ at the time?

IMHO he should have called tarver up to HW. He could've gone to cruiserweight if he wanted and he for sure would've beaten Jirov... not sure about Mormeck or Bell.

3 - Could he have beaten another heavyweight at the time?

He could've beaten Holyfield, Byrd, Rahman, Barrett, etc... almost anyone except maybe Wlad and Vitaly who have too much reach and power... he should've fought them anyway for 25 million.

4 - Did the weight loss make his chin weaker and sap his legs which led to the trio of losses?

Both. Just look at Byrd.

5 - Does Jones finally feel the way he used to feel now that he has gotten his weight back in check, or is the damage of the weight loss already finished him?

No he will never be what he was again. He couldn't take out Tito and Hopkins did, while Tito was in his prime. Jones is finished.

And if not, what kind of shot do you give him against Calzaghe?

Calzaghe will outwork Jones. Joe doesn't slap hard enough to KO Jones... but I wouldn't be surprised if he did because Jones' chin is broke.

[Johnny Rebel]

Vitali was Jones mandatory at HW and he wanted no part of that. Jones wanted 100 million to fight Lewis and wouldn't fight Sanders because, "I might get killed."

Jones would've been better off just taking his chances against the big boys instead of fighting a rival 30 pounds lighter who was chasing him for years and was much hungrier. Getting KO by Vitali or Lewis would not have effected his legacy the way losing to Tarver did.