Should Southpaws Be Rated Lower Then Orthodox?

[Sweet Pea 50]

How bout, height advantage? Should taller fighters be ranked lower? Reach? Should longed armed fighters be rated lower then non long armed fighters?
What the hell are we talking about here, really? Should a guy with a devastating left hook, be rated lower then the twenty guys he faces that DON"T have that in their arsenal?
Really, I expect to be flamed. And frankly, I don't care.
It's BOXING. Not a ****ing board meeting.
If a Paw has you shook, too bad. Work on your lead right, don't try to hook with one with good pop, and spar with a few. Maybe your foot work might improve a little.


So a resounding NO to this....

[DLT]

How bout, height advantage? Should taller fighters be ranked lower? Reach? Should longed armed fighters be rated lower then non long armed fighters?
What the hell are we talking about here, really? Should a guy with a devastating left hook, be rated lower then the twenty guys he faces that DON"T have that in their arsenal?
Really, I expect to be flamed. And frankly, I don't care.
It's BOXING. Not a ****ing board meeting.
If a Paw has you shook, too bad. Work on your lead right, don't try to hook with one with good pop, and spar with a few. Maybe your foot work might improve a little.


So a resounding NO to this....

I still think that is so apples & oranges. Its not the same at all. I do however think size in terms of natural weight should be a factor. There are a ton of guys who get by in fighting smaller guys there whole career while others fight bigger guys there whole career and I think a guy should get extra credit by that. When Im talking about size Im not talking about height or nothing like that but Im talking about a guy who maybe in his 1st division and gains 15 pounds after the weigh-in against a guy who is in like his 3rd division and only gains a pound. I do think that even though they are in the same division, one guys is clearly bigger & stronger and the other guy should recieve some credit for beating these huge guys. I mean, I could beat up on my little brother all day but my big brother would kick my ass all day

[shadeyfizzle]

Ok...lets try to paint the picture this way. How many boxing books and/or instructional videos do you know of that show you the proper footwork for throwing a proper "right" jab?? or the proper southpaw defense for an orthodox left hook?? I dont know of any book or video that teaches proper fundamentals for southpaws. They either have to figure it out for themselves for the most part just to even develop. This is where all these supposed advantages are offset

[DLT]

So you guys are trying to tell me that Pac dropping JMM 3 times in the 1st round has nothing to do with him being a Southpaw? A great techiniqal fighter like JMM gets caught clean non stop in his nose has nothing to do with Pac being a southpaw. Its just because Pac is such a highly skilled fighter? Again, Im not dissing Pac or nothing like that but dont tell me that its not an advantage and it takes alot of guys some time to adjust to it. There is no way he drops JMM those 3 times if he's an orthodox fighter with the same exact skill set as he has now. No way.

What about Wlad vs Sanders. You guys really think that Sanders blitzes Wlad no matter what? He could do that even if he were a righty? Come on now.

[DLT]

Ok...lets try to paint the picture this way. How many boxing books and/or instructional videos do you know of that show you the proper footwork for throwing a proper "right" jab?? or the proper southpaw defense for an orthodox left hook?? I dont know of any book or video that teaches proper fundamentals for southpaws. They either have to figure it out for themselves for the most part just to even develop. This is where all these supposed advantages are offset

They dont need videos because there fighting them every fight. If anything, Southpaws would need videos on other Southpaws also. Look, Im not trying to diss you. I understand where your coming from but I also think that your starting to see what Im trying to say also. Its all good

[DLT]

Again, its not about dissin southpaws. I love watching them do there thing and I favor them in alot of fights because of it but dont tell me its not an advantage in the ring. There are only a couple of guys who are great at fighting Southpaws. Hopkins was one. Even he always says that most guys dont know how to fight Southpaws so they are scared to fight them but I do

[shadeyfizzle]

So you guys are trying to tell me that Pac dropping JMM 3 times in the 1st round has nothing to do with him being a Southpaw? A great techiniqal fighter like JMM gets caught clean non stop in his nose has nothing to do with Pac being a southpaw. Its just because Pac is such a highly skilled fighter? Again, Im not dissing Pac or nothing like that but dont tell me that its not an advantage and it takes alot of guys some time to adjust to it. There is no way he drops JMM those 3 times if he's an orthodox fighter with the same exact skill set as he has now. No way

No but i think the fact that they have such different styles may have to do with 1 being a southpaw. Marquez is a textbook fighter who was trained by Nacho who was a textbook fighter in his day. The book was obviously made by righties 4 righties and leaves southpaws high and dry to figure **** out on their own. Thats why southpaws like Pea and Pac develop ways to even the odds like a nonstop attack or superior defens

[shadeyfizzle]

They dont need videos because there fighting them every fight. If anything, Southpaws would need videos on other Southpaws also. Look, Im not trying to diss you. I understand where your coming from but I also think that your starting to see what Im trying to say also. Its all good

Ok look check it out. If you take 2 kids same age never boxed before. 1 righty and 1 lefty. Brought them to the same gym. Who do you think makes more progress the 1st day?? It will always be the righty making more progress because all they have to do is copy everything they're shown while the lefty has to see the trainer, make a mirror image in his mind and copy that. So where's the advantage?

[DLT]

No but i think the fact that they have such different styles may have to do with 1 being a southpaw. Marquez is a textbook fighter who was trained by Nacho who was a textbook fighter in his day. The book was obviously made by righties 4 righties and leaves southpaws high and dry to figure **** out on their own. Thats why southpaws like Pea and Pac develop ways to even the odds like a nonstop attack or superior defens

How can you use the word "obviously" when you know you are just assuming? You think those guys havent trained southpaws before. That stuff isnt true. You think if JMM were a Southpaw then he wouldnt have trained him or something? All Im saying to you is that Pac and Pea arent developing any special styles. It just makes it seem special because they are Southpaws. They fight just like alot of others. A righty boxer always circles to the left while the Southpaw circles to ther right but if your a righty circling to the left then your still going to your opponents power hand while the Southpaw is going away from it. Its more then just being on the opposite side. Its a huge advantage. Pac comes straight at you like a ton of guys do and sometimes he uses the in & out movement or whatever but its still an aggressive style that alot of righties use but his Southpaw stance definatly makes it more effective.

You see a ton of righties put there right hand over the side of there face, right? Thats how most guys teach it but a Southpaw's punch comes straight downt the pipe most of the time so you dont block it. Thats why they kill these guys

[DLT]

Ok look check it out. If you take 2 kids same age never boxed before. 1 righty and 1 lefty. Brought them to the same gym. Who do you think makes more progress the 1st day?? It will always be the righty making more progress because all they have to do is copy everything they're shown while the lefty has to see the trainer, make a mirror image in his mind and copy that. So where's the advantage?

ok but then put them up against an opponent and see which guy catches on way way way quicker. Righties always get killed when they 1st step into the ring but even at a young age guys have problems against lefties so they dont take the same amount of punishment and at the very least can make it a sloppy fight where no one lands but the righty gets his ass kicked.