if wladimir was black and american he would be an all time great

[Ryn0]

Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey are two white Heavyweigh boxers and are greatly respected anywhere in the boxing community. Wlad even if he was american, black wouldn't be an all time great because he hasn't fought and unified the division. The ATG heavyweight's all unified the division or held the title at a time without multiple belts with the exception of Larry Holmes.

Wlad has been beaten by Ross Purrity of all people, now obviously he has developed his attributes but he still has yet to fight the best out there. IF he managed to beat Peter properly again, get into some exciting fights, beat Chagaev and perhaps Haye if he does well then i'm pretty sure people will except him as a ATG heavyweight. Right now on the other hand he isn't.

[TheManchine]

Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey are two white Heavyweigh boxers and are greatly respected anywhere in the boxing community. Wlad even if he was american, black wouldn't be an all time great because he hasn't fought and unified the division. The ATG heavyweight's all unified the division or held the title at a time without multiple belts with the exception of Larry Holmes.

Wlad has been beaten by Ross Purrity of all people, now obviously he has developed his attributes but he still has yet to fight the best out there. IF he managed to beat Peter properly again, get into some exciting fights, beat Chagaev and perhaps Haye if he does well then i'm pretty sure people will except him as a ATG heavyweight. Right now on the other hand he isn't.

fair points. i respect your opinion

[Ray*]

I dont this Wlad being white had anything to do with it, I think some fighters are lucky enough to get credited in the heavyweight division while some are just unlucky, I think Wlad is one of the unlucky ones>>>>>Just look at how Larry Holmes(Black and american) had to fight for respect for years and he achieved more thing than Wlad but he was never respected.

[TommyGunn.]

If Wlad was black and american he'd be a black american fighter with a weak chin instead of a white european fighter with a weak chin. LOL!

[Alibata]

I think it be alot easier in America to be an ATG if you where white. Black dudes just have had the better more pleasing style to watch fighters. I think it would be easier if he were American... If Joe C. were American or R. Hatton, although they have recognition in England as Brits and one is a hugger and the other a slapper, they'd get Mike Tyson type attention in the country where recognition is legitimized and amplified. If Ricky Hatton were Amrican his fight with Mayweather would be even bigger than it was. Hatton being the draw. If Gerry Cooney can start a frenzy for knocking no names out, think of what a really good white fighter can generate. Larry Holmes didn't sell that fight. A fighter gotta have an aura about them to get attention and recognition regardless if they are Black/White/Latino. Look at fighters like Ali, or Tyson, or Robinson, leonard, Hagler, hearns, Roy Jones jr., DLH, Chavez, Duran, Marciano, Lamotta, Gatti, etc. etc. They all had it. Nobody is really getting too much attention nowadays cuz boxing does not have that American fighter with that Aura. PPV is a good indication of the fighters that get good enough recognition for promotors to milk. Aside from DLH, Cotto, Chavez Jr., and Pacquiao nobody is really PPV material.. I don't think any of em Jab their opponents to death like Klitchko niether... Kilitchko just dont got it... Watch out for Kelly Pavlik.. That dude will be the face of boxing in the near future... Hes got the package to bring boxing back on the map... If he fought Jermaine Taylor after a little more public exposure that fight woulda been bigger. Now he needs another high caliber black opponent who is not B-hop or non-American - preferably Joe C. to fight.

[TheManchine]

If Wlad was black and american he'd be a black american fighter with a weak chin instead of a white european fighter with a weak chin. LOL!

if ricky hatton had fought young prime good fighters earlier in his career he would have been shown up as the bum he is. instead he beats dinosaurs and gets a nation to believe he is good and take their money

[TommyGunn.]

if ricky hatton had fought young prime good fighters earlier in his career he would have been shown up as the bum he is. instead he beats dinosaurs and gets a nation to believe he is good and take their money

Your off topic kid. :wank:

[TheManchine]

Your off topic kid. :wank:

im not surprised you didnt respond to what i said. you support a guy who has exploited a nation for personal gain. hatton is a bum

[Alibata]

im not surprised you didnt respond to what i said. you support a guy who has exploited a nation for personal gain. hatton is a bum

Regardless he still is more entertaining... ex.Gatti wasn't all that but he was entertaining hence popular. Klitchko has the size and skill to throw combos againts the smaller men he has faced and the ability to KO em early but when I watch him he just keeps throwing Jabs the whole round. I liked Vitali better..

[Flawless]

Hatton lost to the P4P King then. The guys Wladmir lost to, did they have the same skill level as Mayweather did. NO How many loses does Wladmir have compared to Hatton. Was Wladmir even on the p4p list.NO