Calzaghe Turns Down Kelly Pavlik, Wants Roy Jones

[Silencers]

well, if it doesnt work... then he may very well be shot...


it doesnt matter what i think or say, roys gonna do his own thing obviously.. I peronsally feel roy will better off on the ropes.. but i know roy will fight in the center of the ring as well...

contrary to people saying how will roy deal with joes speed

id like to know how joe will deal with the fastest punches hes ever had coming at him in his career... cuz bernard sure fared well, and his punches arent close to the speed or power or accuracy of roys... STILL.

It definitely will be interesting to see, Jones still has most of his amazing handspeed, Hopkins managed to land quite a few good clean shots that Calzaghe didn't see coming.

thats my fear and that is why i think he needs to start working on tying up his oponents a bit more

when u watch the Tarver 1 ,Johnson ,Hanshaw ,Prince Badi fights Jones spends way to much time on the ropes and did not look comfortable when needing to tie his oponents up

Jones needs to tie him up then walk him back so he is back in range to counter punch

This is also a good tactic but he can't be stepping back all fight because it wears on the legs.

I think the best tactic is a mixture of both of your opinions. When Calzaghe comes forward, Jones should take a half step or a step back to get Calzaghe off balance and than unload a counter right hand or counter combination.

When he starts feeling a little fatigue in his legs, move back to the ropes and try to time Calzaghe as he is coming in with straight right hands or uppercuts and try to punch in between Calzaghe's punches with straight shots.

I also think Jones needs to land something early to earn Calzaghe's respect, so that Calzaghe won't just be comfortable with rushing in and I think Jones should utilize his jab a bit more in this fight.

When he's standing on the ropes, he should maintain a high Winky-esque guard so that he won't get hit with any silly shots.

Terrible also made an interesting point, Jones doesn't really know how to tie up effectively, he should work on that too because I'm sure there will be times where he'll be feeling uncomfortable along the ropes and would want to get off of them.

[Silencers]

i thoguht the hanshaw fight was an excellent fight..

people dont like that fight cuz they wanna see the roy that bounces around the ring peppering his opponent at lightning fast speeds

the roy hanshaw fight is an exact example of how ali fiught joe to a point... covering covering covering, then counter counter... block block roll... then counter counter..

its the first time ive seen him do it VERY well... roy was blocking a LOT of the punches coming in, and EVERY SINGLE counter he threw back landed crisply...

Well, Jones did get hit a few times in that fight along the ropes, one of his eyes had swelling.

[THE REED]

It definitely will be interesting to see, Jones still has most of his amazing handspeed, Hopkins managed to land quite a few good clean shots that Calzaghe didn't see coming.



This is also a good tactic but he can't be stepping back all fight because it wears on the legs.

I think the best tactic is a mixture of both of your opinions. When Calzaghe comes forward, Jones should take a half step or a step back to get Calzaghe off balance and than unload a counter right hand or counter combination.

When he starts feeling a little fatigue in his legs, move back to the ropes and try to time Calzaghe as he is coming in with straight right hands or uppercuts and try to punch in between Calzaghe's punches with straight shots.

I also think Jones needs to land something early to earn Calzaghe's respect, so that Calzaghe won't just be comfortable with rushing in and I think Jones should utilize his jab a bit more in this fight.

When he's standing on the ropes, he should maintain a high Winky-esque guard so that he won't get hit with any silly shots.

Terrible also made an interesting point, Jones doesn't really know how to tie up effectively, he should work on that too because I'm sure there will be times where he'll be feeling uncomfortable along the ropes and would want to get off of them.

true although I cant see a 39 yr old fighter at the end of his career, "learning" to really do anything lol... when roy wants to get off the ropes he ll use his hands to do so..

[-Antonio-]

joe does those wide armed looping quick flurries with his guy on the ropes, and thats when QUICK straight right hands and uppercuts will be used...

You think roy is trying to make this fight because he thinks joe is too good? or because he cant beat him?

roy sees something, and hes chasing it, big time.

That's the right idea and all. I'm just ot sure Roy is capable of doing it anymore. Sure he can think as much, and that's good, but it wont help him if he cant put it to use.

He's also a stationary target when he's on the ropes like that. Joe had to chase Hopkins around all night, and when he got close he had to deal with clinches and head butts. So he wont be as sloppy with Roy beating his stomach while sitting on the ropes with his guard up. Remember the Manfredo fight.

Not comparing Roy to Manfredo at all, but it probbaly seemed like a good idea at the time to pick shots off with his glvoes. Then Joe threw a million punches at him.

[Dynamite Kid]

i thoguht the hanshaw fight was an excellent fight..

people dont like that fight cuz they wanna see the roy that bounces around the ring peppering his opponent at lightning fast speeds

the roy hanshaw fight is an exact example of how ali fiught joe to a point... covering covering covering, then counter counter... block block roll... then counter counter..

its the first time ive seen him do it VERY well... roy was blocking a LOT of the punches coming in, and EVERY SINGLE counter he threw back landed crisply...

yeah i can see what your saying


i think at 39/40 he is gonna have to adapt to the art of tying his oponents up more to preserve energy allthough it may go against his instincts

Roy did not get much done against Tito for 5 rounds he and Hopkins seem only to be able to fight for 6 rounds of the 12 these days

can Roy afford to languish on the ropes for half of the fight ?

[THE REED]

Well, Jones did get hit a few times in that fight along the ropes, one of his eyes had swelling.

He got hit with an elbow in a basketball game the day before the fight... he had 6 stiches in his eye during that fight, thats why he had the swelling...

i stayed in the same hotel as him and was standing right next to him in the hotel after the fight, right before the roy jones after party... he had stitches in his eye...

and the one time hanshaw landed a clean right... roy unloaded one of the sickest uppercut/left hook combos and knocked him down, it seemed to oonly piss him off

[Steel Town USA]

I have to say I think quite the opposite. I don't think Calzaghe will get any credit whatsoever for beating Jones.

Should he get any credit??? What, for beating up a once-great boxer who is a shell of his former self?

This proves NOTHING, except that Calzaghe does not want to risk his padded record against a young, prime, hungry contender. Everyone is trying to downplay Kelly's wins over Taylor, but "Bad Intentions" is a better boxer than ANYONE on Calzaghe's resume, Kessler included.

If Joe refuses to fight Kelly, he should not be considered amongst the very best fighters of this era. If he does fight (and beat) Pavlik, however, he could cement his legacy as one of the top 3 or 4 guys for his time. I just don't get why he's leaning toward the easy way out.

[ragingvic]

LMAO. I cant believe the ******ty of Joe. He is turning down Pavliks offer to fight with the execuse of Pavlik does not want to fight me. You got to be kidding me, this guy is a joke. Of course RJJ is the better fight for Cal, he is old, past his prime, and a hall of famer. 5 years ago Joe would not fight RJJ if his life depended on it.

[Silencers]

true although I cant see a 39 yr old fighter at the end of his career, "learning" to really do anything lol... when roy wants to get off the ropes he ll use his hands to do so..

That's true, he probably won't be doing anything new at this stage of his career, clinching his way out is the best option though because, 1) It doesn't open himself up for counter shots and 2) It saves him some valuable energy.

[THE REED]

yeah i can see what your saying


i think at 39/40 he is gonna have to adapt to the art of tying his oponents up more to preserve energy allthough it may go against his instincts

Roy did not get much done against Tito for 5 rounds he and Hopkins seem only to be able to fight for 6 rounds of the 12 these days

can Roy afford to languish on the ropes for half of the fight ?

i thgouth tito HONESTLY won rounds 1-2, and MAYBE 3... most certainly not 4 - 12

ive watched the fight about a dozen times...

dont forget the two knockdowns...

he showed no stamina problems, and he threw plent of combinations, even a couple double and triple left hooks... not that tito is joe calzaghe, but the point is, he was throwing them...