Kelly Pavlik = Hype, Joe Calzaghe = Truth

[deanrw]

I don't care who wins. I just want to see the fight.

[the_godslayer]

at the moment JC would beat Kelly on a UD simply cos he is more polished, given the time ... which is against Joe, Kelly would go on to become a better boxer than he is now and the fight would be interesting. I doubt JC would get knocked out so it would become a 12 round tear up as i seriously doubt JC could knock Kelly out either.

if the fight happens in the next 12 months then JC by decision especially if Pavlik steps up a weight .... anythng outside that time frame and the age may get the better of JC and that would take the shine of any Pavlik vistory

[supremelygifted]

You are absolutely right that Pavlik is no B Level fighter, but you are the moron if you really hold such childlike opinions about "so what if he's undefeated! He hasn't fought anyone." What silly, childish, ridiculous statements.

Such extreme views show you have zero knowledge of what boxing really involves and also zero knowledge about Calzaghe's career other than what you read on here from the most tiresome anti-UK propagandists.

As we know, Calzaghe is in talks for a fight with Pavlik, and I guarantee you it won't be because Joe doesn't like the fight if it doesn't come off. He fought Lacy when Lacy was supposed to be an unbeatable monster and took on Kessler too. What on earth would he have to fear from a Kelly Pavlik fight?

It is easy to see that the only people with a reason to avoid this fight are Pavlik and his team, since Kelly is a rising US star with an 0 to protect, with the chance to become a really big name if he keeps winning. A loss to Joe would take a fair degree of that shine off and it will be safer and easier for Kelly to keep beating the MWs that are left in what is a relatively weak division.

You're the idiot because you think just because someone thinks your favorite fighter is **** they know nothing about boxing? I said " So what if he's undefeated " because people generally think if a fighter is undefeated he's been tested. Who thought Lacy was an unbeatable monster? Just about everyone that I talked to thought he was very one dimensional and vulnerable! I have no doubts that Calzaghe will retire undefeated especially if he fights Roy Jones and leaves the sport. You say, " I guarantee it won't be because Joe doesn't want the fight." If you really knew what you were talking about you'd know that next to DLH, Joe is the most in demand fighter in the sport today! If a fight doesn't happen it isn't because the other doesn't want it. Joe doesn't have to go to ANYONE to get a fight they are coming to him! The second thing you're too blind to notice is that most are calling him out because they find him very beatable(which is normal for fighters) and flawed. You use words like silly,childish and ridiculous as if what you're saying is common sense. The real truth of the matter is Joe remained undefeated because to be honest, No one cared about the 168 division for so long. He actually made it popular again. What big money fights have been made at 168? I'm willing to bet the biggest fight at 168 was Kessler(cause it was held in the UK where both fighters are local favorites) and Hopkins. All I'm saying is just because the UK rants and raves about one of your fighters doesn't make him a world beater. I'd love to see Calzaghe fight Pavlik and Dawson. Then I will say I was wrong he's the truth!

[RichCCFC]

You're the idiot because you think just because someone thinks your favorite fighter is **** they know nothing about boxing? I said " So what if he's undefeated " because people generally think if a fighter is undefeated he's been tested. Who thought Lacy was an unbeatable monster? Just about everyone that I talked to thought he was very one dimensional and vulnerable! I have no doubts that Calzaghe will retire undefeated especially if he fights Roy Jones and leaves the sport. You say, " I guarantee it won't be because Joe doesn't want the fight." If you really knew what you were talking about you'd know that next to DLH, Joe is the most in demand fighter in the sport today! If a fight doesn't happen it isn't because the other doesn't want it. Joe doesn't have to go to ANYONE to get a fight they are coming to him! The second thing you're too blind to notice is that most are calling him out because they find him very beatable(which is normal for fighters) and flawed. You use words like silly,childish and ridiculous as if what you're saying is common sense. The real truth of the matter is Joe remained undefeated because to be honest, No one cared about the 168 division for so long. He actually made it popular again. What big money fights have been made at 168? I'm willing to bet the biggest fight at 168 was Kessler(cause it was held in the UK where both fighters are local favorites) and Hopkins. All I'm saying is just because the UK rants and raves about one of your fighters doesn't make him a world beater. I'd love to see Calzaghe fight Pavlik and Dawson. Then I will say I was wrong he's the truth!

Hagler was ****.

[RimmyDelicious]

Hagler was ****.

LOL what in the world could you possibly have to say negatively about Hagler?

[Dirt E Gomez]

LOL what in the world could you possibly have to say negatively about Hagler?

He's not British or white. That's enough for some of these slack jawed ******s.

Make some more ****** threads, but this time under that screen name so you get banned again, _ricky_.

[abadger]

You're the idiot because you think just because someone thinks your favorite fighter is **** they know nothing about boxing? I said " So what if he's undefeated " because people generally think if a fighter is undefeated he's been tested. Who thought Lacy was an unbeatable monster? Just about everyone that I talked to thought he was very one dimensional and vulnerable! I have no doubts that Calzaghe will retire undefeated especially if he fights Roy Jones and leaves the sport. You say, " I guarantee it won't be because Joe doesn't want the fight." If you really knew what you were talking about you'd know that next to DLH, Joe is the most in demand fighter in the sport today! If a fight doesn't happen it isn't because the other doesn't want it. Joe doesn't have to go to ANYONE to get a fight they are coming to him! The second thing you're too blind to notice is that most are calling him out because they find him very beatable(which is normal for fighters) and flawed. You use words like silly,childish and ridiculous as if what you're saying is common sense. The real truth of the matter is Joe remained undefeated because to be honest, No one cared about the 168 division for so long. He actually made it popular again. What big money fights have been made at 168? I'm willing to bet the biggest fight at 168 was Kessler(cause it was held in the UK where both fighters are local favorites) and Hopkins. All I'm saying is just because the UK rants and raves about one of your fighters doesn't make him a world beater. I'd love to see Calzaghe fight Pavlik and Dawson. Then I will say I was wrong he's the truth!

Same ****. Different day. Americans think any division they don't rule is **** and so 'no-one cares about it'.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

[Kris Silver]

You're the idiot because you think just because someone thinks your favorite fighter is **** they know nothing about boxing? I said " So what if he's undefeated " because people generally think if a fighter is undefeated he's been tested. Who thought Lacy was an unbeatable monster? Just about everyone that I talked to thought he was very one dimensional and vulnerable! I have no doubts that Calzaghe will retire undefeated especially if he fights Roy Jones and leaves the sport. You say, " I guarantee it won't be because Joe doesn't want the fight." If you really knew what you were talking about you'd know that next to DLH, Joe is the most in demand fighter in the sport today! If a fight doesn't happen it isn't because the other doesn't want it. Joe doesn't have to go to ANYONE to get a fight they are coming to him! The second thing you're too blind to notice is that most are calling him out because they find him very beatable(which is normal for fighters) and flawed. You use words like silly,childish and ridiculous as if what you're saying is common sense. The real truth of the matter is Joe remained undefeated because to be honest, No one cared about the 168 division for so long. He actually made it popular again. What big money fights have been made at 168? I'm willing to bet the biggest fight at 168 was Kessler(cause it was held in the UK where both fighters are local favorites) and Hopkins. All I'm saying is just because the UK rants and raves about one of your fighters doesn't make him a world beater. I'd love to see Calzaghe fight Pavlik and Dawson. Then I will say I was wrong he's the truth!

Your not mostly just predictably resorting to discrediting Calzaghe with subjective crap, saying he's no great fighter of the top level. You even put if off as if most agree with you, and on Lacy. Most thought Lacy was very good and Calzaghe was the underdog, don't play the card, oh me and my friends said otherwise so that makes it ok. That's ******. Most credit Calzaghe to varying degrees as a great fighter worthy of the top 10 p4p without quesiton, and certainly a top level fighter. You seem to question this, you have to accept your in a minority there, and when you talk in such subjective i'm right manners, it's no wonder it's difficult to credit your posts. How many fights of Calzaghes have you seen out of interest? How many fights of his opponents have you seen?

To say everyones chasing Calzaghe so if a fight doesn't work out it's Joes fault, is beyond simplistically naive. Of course it could be the other sides fault, infact it's more likely. Calzaghe's openly said he wants RJJ, it's not progressing as well as team Calzaghe would have liked, and most believe that's cos RJJ is being very demanding, and wanting a big slice of the money pie. This despite him saying he has to chase the top guy, fighter wherever, and settle for a lesser deal.

I respect Pavliks team for openly saying they want the fight, something RJJ hasn't for awhile which is very suspect. Pavlik deserves it more, Arum and Pavlik are messing around much less, hence that fight is possibly seeming more likely now. RJJ & Don Kings fault, not Joes or Pavliks or their respective teams.

Most favour a Calzaghe win against either of these top fighters, probably another thing you dispute. Oh well.

[Greatwhitehope]

Joe beat Hopkins at 175.

I was only messing about really, but I do think I'm seeing a bit of a double standard in some of the attitudes to Kelly Pavlik. Is he excused from the 'beating great fighters' demand that is routinely screamed at Joe Calzaghe by US posters here. Also, the same 'Kelly is a MW' excuse applies equally to Joe C when he was at SMW and guys like Jones were at LHW.

I actually think that America has realised that Pavlik is one of maybe only one or two young guys with the potential to be P4P name in the next few years and they don't want him in with Joe because that would upset that status if he were to lose. Just an observation.

Anyway journeyman2000, you are right that Kelly still has time and it isn't his job to provide Calzaghe with the name he wants, since by comparison he is only starting his career. However, these two ARE the two most credible 'big names' around the SMW weight class right now (Kelly fought Taylor at 166) so the fight IS a logical one to make, and if Kelly doesn't want we have to assume to he thinks he might lose, which is kind of ducking, isn't it?

Single most logical post in the history of boxing forums. I agree with it all, for Kelly not to fight Joe is ducking in a way, but not a cowardly way, he hasn't really been on the scene that long, only since upsetting Taylor originally.

[abadger]

Single most logical post in the history of boxing forums. I agree with it all, for Kelly not to fight Joe is ducking in a way, but not a cowardly way, he hasn't really been on the scene that long, only since upsetting Taylor originally.

Thanks. I thought I'd get hate for that one, but apparently not. Nice to be appreciated.

I really want to see this fight made. Like I said, they are the two most credible guys who could face each other really and it would show great heart from both guys to take on what might be a pretty risky matchup for both.

Do we really want to see Kelly knocking over inferior MWs for the next three years, or Joe taking on past it RJJ? This is the fight we need and it also has to happen soon, so lets hope it does.