If Calzaghe Actually Fights Pavlik

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  • oldgringo
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    #11
    He isn't significantly better than Kessler, if at all. I think Kessler is one of the better, more accomplished fighters in the sport and Calzaghe bested him in a pretty good fight. That was a very good win for Joe. If Calzaghe beat Kelly it'd be a very good win as well and I think Calzaghe would receive a lot of respect for that.

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    • !! $iN
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      #12
      Originally posted by !! Anorak
      You gave him credit for a joke stoppage against a joke opponent? Surely you jest?



      Don't you ever post about any other subject, $paM?
      Manfredo is no different from any other typical Calzaghe opponent. Why not give him credit if he gets credit for his other fights?

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      • Ryn0
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        #13
        Originally posted by !! $iN
        Those big wins against Mundine are Beyer are clearly more impressive than wins over Miranda and Taylor...
        Yes... because Miranada has proved himself to be a such a formidable opponent...... knocking out the the great David Banks......

        Most people don't consider him in the elite of 168.....
        Kessler is better than Pavlik but only just.

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        • Kris Silver
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          #14
          A recent poll of whose a better fighter, Kessler or Pavlik, Kessler quite clearly won.

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          • Easy-E
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            #15
            Originally posted by kayjay
            How is Pavlik even close to being as good as Kessler?
            He is the undefeated middleweight champion of the world who has fought and knocked out better opposition than Kessler.

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            • !! $iN
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              #16
              Originally posted by KrisSilver
              A recent poll of whose a better fighter, Kessler or Pavlik, Kessler quite clearly won.
              Was that poll in the Limey Lounge?

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              • warp1432
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                #17
                Originally posted by kayjay
                How is Pavlik even close to being as good as Kessler?
                Because Pavlik destroyed Edison Miranda and Jermain Taylor. Kessler savagely beat Mundine and Andrade, but those wins aren't as good as Kessler's. Pavlik arugably has the better 1-2. Pavlik also showed some mixing up against Lockett, something Kessler didn't do against Calzaghe.


                Though I voted no, even when Hopkins being 43. I thought Hopkins style was the best to try and defeat Calzaghe. Calzaghe had shown he had big trouble with rough and tough fighters and was suspectable to big right hands. And I was right somewhat. Hopkins made that fight very tough and close for Calzaghe and I don't see Pavlik doing the same.

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                • Run
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                  #18
                  Yes.

                  The best "test". Not the best "fighter".

                  Hopkins was the best fighter Calzaghe has ever faced. But he's past his prime at 44 years old and isn't the "threat" that Pavlik is in his prime.



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                  • El Dominicano
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by kayjay
                    How is Pavlik even close to being as good as Kessler?
                    Pavlik throws a better jab
                    Pavlik has more stamina
                    Pavlik has more power
                    Pavlik doesn't get discouraged like Kessler did against Calzaghe. That answer ur question?

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                    • MELLY-MEL...
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Easy-E
                      He is the undefeated middleweight champion of the world who has fought and knocked out better opposition than Kessler.
                      i agree completely

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