I don't think Enzo wants any part of Pavlik

[sparked_85]

i dunno , spark.

too much risk not enough reward.

if i was joe i'd fight tarver and jones then retire. very winnable , much bigger money and less risk.

joe can outwork tarver and roy. kelly is young.

plus when you read the boxing hof book. you see eubank , hopkins , tarver , jones. not bad eh? people can say roy and hop and tarv are old but joe is no spring chicken either. it can lend proof to the argument that if they fought in their primes joe could've/would've beat them as well.

i'm one of those that don't rate the bernard win highly because bernard is old BUT a win over hopkins is still a WIN OVER HOPKINS! same thing for jones. kelly is much more dangerous now and we don't know yet how history will look at him. imagine if joe losses to kelly and kelly then loses to a bunch of mediocre fighters afterwards.i'm just speaking from a pure legacy standpoint for joe of course. obviously as a boxing fan i want to see a pavlik-cal fight.

This is true, Pavlik is not a guy who is going to reign supreme.

But he will be a superstar in the sport, he has that Ricky Hatton appeal. I'll always watch him fight.

[daggum]

Your opinion means very little. Since that is all hater talk.

Joe Chicken dance............?

Hopkins caught him, and then pushed him down. So what?, he then ran for rest of the SAME round.

There are different classes of fighters. If you think Pavlik is a guy who is going to reign for a long time you are clutching at straws.

Joe looks **** against people who don't fight (Hopkins). Pavlik only has one gear. It would be a great fight

I like Pavlik but I can't see him beating Joe at all. Roy Jones old as **** or not is a bigger test imo.

if he fights crappy opponents like calzaghe did his whole career he will. look what he did to lockett hes on teh right track!

[Left Hook Tua]

This is true, Pavlik is not a guy who is going to reign supreme.

But he will be a superstar in the sport, he has that Ricky Hatton appeal. I'll always watch him fight.

i mean we don't know for sure. but i don't see it. he'll run into someone talented and they'll have wars and he'll win some and lose some.

i'll always watch him fight too. win or lose it'll be a good fight.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

I can barely believe that you even had the gaul to write that complete crap like that.

I agree, Joe fights well when pressured. He has proven that in quite a few fights. However, to be incinuating that he hits or could possibly hit harder than Taylor is close to a retarted statement. He has almost no single punch KO power at ALL. Taylor does possess that kind of punch and 8 lbs will not change that very much. It took Taylor about 11 or so clean, un-answered punches to finally drop Pavlik, who was not even really hurt. He got right back up, moved to his corner for the count to reset himself to go back to work. Wich he did, obviously. I know that Joe does not have the kind of power it will take to KO Pavlik, so he will have to rely on a decision that will not be easy. No matter what you or the other die hard Joe Calzaghe fans say on here. It will be a close fight and the winner deserves one hell of a congratulations.

Joe has a more impressive KO record at a higher weight and at world level. Although he doesn't put full power into his punches due to his brittle hands, Joe has more than enough power to trouble Kelly if he were to get hurt. Say what you like about Calzaghe's opponents, but they earned their shot just like Lockett did, does Pavlik get any stick for a KO win over Lockett?

rematch with jermain don't count as a title defence?

It was at 166. I assume this was because Jermain thought he would win, but didn't want to risk his titles twice against a guy like Pavlik.

i dunno , spark.

too much risk not enough reward.

if i was joe i'd fight tarver and jones then retire. very winnable , much bigger money and less risk.

joe can outwork tarver and roy. kelly is young.

plus when you read the boxing hof book. you see eubank , hopkins , tarver , jones. not bad eh? people can say roy and hop and tarv are old but joe is no spring chicken either. it can lend proof to the argument that if they fought in their primes joe could've/would've beat them as well.

i'm one of those that don't rate the bernard win highly because bernard is old BUT a win over hopkins is still a WIN OVER HOPKINS! same thing for jones. kelly is much more dangerous now and we don't know yet how history will look at him. imagine if joe losses to kelly and kelly then loses to a bunch of mediocre fighters afterwards.

i'm just speaking from a pure legacy standpoint for joe of course. obviously as a boxing fan i want to see a pavlik-cal fight.

Contrary to popular belief, Joe has always tried to secure the most difficult fights for himself. The guy craves respect, and beating Pavlik would finally show the American public that he is for real, and that is pretty much all he wants.

[Guest]

for his son that is. After tonight's massacre, it would be cruel to put his baby boy in there with Pavlik.

Yeah, Enzo probably regards Joe as being on the same skill level as Lockett, and actually expected Lockett to win.


Well done you.

[CounterPuncher]

Enzo is a decent trainer, not a great one. His son happens to be a great figher.

Lockett had no real chance last night, real fans that know boxing know that he only had a very slim chance, that one-off shock result chance that don't happen too often. He was well out of his depth.

It would be a horrible miss-match had Lockett come up against Joe Calzaghe. He was out of his class last night and we learnt nothing more whatsoever about Pavlik.

But overall Pavlik is class, but Joe is a decade older and has won a dozen more fights, had more battles and been tested more. Pavlik at just 26 has this to come.

It would be a great fight to watch if Pavlik and Joe Calzaghe do come together, but I can only see Calzaghe winning. Pavlik is not the kind of boxer that Joe will struggle with, it's a straight up style with no tricks just good solid stuff. Joe will most likely control that fight with his better movement and knowledge of angles.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Enzo is a decent trainer, not a great one. His son happens to be a great figher.

Lockett had no real chance last night, real fans that know boxing know that he only had a very slim chance, that one-off shock result chance that don't happen too often. He was well out of his depth.

It would be a horrible miss-match had Lockett come up against Joe Calzaghe. He was out of his class last night and we learnt nothing more whatsoever about Pavlik.

But overall Pavlik is class, but Joe is a decade older and has won a dozen more fights, had more battles and been tested more. Pavlik at just 26 has this to come.

It would be a great fight to watch if Pavlik and Joe Calzaghe do come together, but I can only see Calzaghe winning. Pavlik is not the kind of boxer that Joe will struggle with, it's a straight up style with no tricks just good solid stuff. Joe will most likely control that fight with his better movement and knowledge of angles.

A good post. Pavlik does the basics very well with good power, nothing more. Joe eats guys like that for breakfast.

[RodBarker]

A good post. Pavlik does the basics very well with good power, nothing more. Joe eats guys like that for breakfast.

Joes is not eating Pavlik for breakfast you better believe that , you need to take your rose colored glasses off , Pavlik is a bad ass any fool can see that , he beat Taylor twice who beat Hopkins twice who sat Cal on his rump and at times made JC look amateur , Miranda and Lockett was just his usual display of power , Kelly is 6'2'' and only 26 he hasnt peaked yet ,, I will be extremely surprised if Joe takes Pavlik over the easier Jones .

[Floydko1]

for his son that is. After tonight's massacre, it would be cruel to put his baby boy in there with Pavlik.

I hope your not Serious?

Calzaghe would school pavlik for 12 rounds

too Fast, too big, too cleaver

[Allucard]

good point. but kelly looked good.

if i was a joe fan i'd rather see him beat tarver and jones.

less risk more reward.

we don't know how history would view kelly in the future.

we know jone's name and tarver's. unbiased opinion...... if i was enzo i set up jones and tarver , then retire.

kelly is too much risk for not enough reward.

How it to go down in history as having beat Hopkins, Jones and Tarver, ALL OVER 40? You really want that? Will people ignore that as much after Joe is no longer in the limelight?